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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by weatherwatchermom on Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:30 am

they do not pick up the phone until 9 am will try back then...Frank...all you did was put a fire under me....I won't give up till we get an answer...once I start a cause...I am all in... have a good morning fellas
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by weatherwatchermom on Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:15 am

ok..Ryan you were spot on...that is who you talk to ..just got off the phone with Tim Marrin...CP..you need to call him..he was very nice..but spoke above my pay grade..

oky.webmaster@noaa.gov. is where you should send whatever data you have He said that they are already looking into the totals and data from this storm as well as all other snow storms. I will look and edit this post later..alot going on this am..he is in until 1 pm today
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:15 pm

weatherwatchermom wrote:ok..Ryan you were spot on...that is who you talk to ..just got off the phone with Tim Marrin...CP..you need to call him..he was very nice..but spoke above my pay grade..

oky.webmaster@noaa.gov. is where  you should send whatever data you have    He said that they are already looking into the totals and data from this storm as well as all other snow storms. I will look and edit this post later..alot going on this am..he is in until 1 pm today

Excellent info watchermom and Ryan.

I have always been sending my emails to okx.webmaster.@noaa.gov in the past are you saying the address now is oky? Or was that a typo?
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by Frank_Wx on Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:55 pm

YEA JOANNE

And CP of course, for initiating this whole thing.

And for Ryan, for pulling through with a contact. He's finally brought value to the forum.

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Post by syosnow94 on Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:50 pm

Frank I wouldn't go as far as saying Ryan has added value to the forum!
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Post by Frank_Wx on Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:14 pm

lol!

Ryan is bomb.

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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by weatherwatchermom on Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:21 pm

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
weatherwatchermom wrote:ok..Ryan you were spot on...that is who you talk to ..just got off the phone with Tim Marrin...CP..you need to call him..he was very nice..but spoke above my pay grade..

oky.webmaster@noaa.gov. is where  you should send whatever data you have    He said that they are already looking into the totals and data from this storm as well as all other snow storms. I will look and edit this post later..alot going on this am..he is in until 1 pm today

Excellent info watchermom and Ryan.

I have always been sending my emails to okx.webmaster.@noaa.gov in the past are you saying the address now is oky? Or was that a typo?

sorry you were right about email address... I was in a rush this morning...had five things on my plate that needed to be taken care of all at once.....He was too technical for me...I read him your email post.( gave you credit) He said that they get many inquires...here is what I got from our conversation..He stated it is normal for them to take their preliminary numbers and then research the data to  make sure that all the data corrected before a final entry is recorded. CP...if I were you I would give him a call and have a conversation....don't thank me...Ryan did the leg work!! Thanks Ryan...
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by Math23x7 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:14 pm

Temperature range, qpf, snow totals and ratio as of 7 PM for the NWS sites:

EWR: 29-30, 0.09", 1.3", ~14.44:1 ratio
LGA: 29-32, 0.08", 0.6", 7.50:1 ratio
JFK: 28-31, 0.12", 1.6", ~13.33:1 ratio

And finally:

CPK: 29-31, 0.11", 0.6", ~5.46:1 ratio

Meh.

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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by Quietace on Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:06 pm

Sorry I am just seeing this now. Please let me know if this gets resolved. If not I will make a phone call so that It does get resolved.

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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:46 pm

Math23x7 wrote:Temperature range, qpf, snow totals and ratio as of 7 PM for the NWS sites:

EWR: 29-30, 0.09", 1.3", ~14.44:1 ratio
LGA: 29-32, 0.08", 0.6", 7.50:1 ratio
JFK: 28-31, 0.12", 1.6", ~13.33:1 ratio

And finally:

CPK: 29-31, 0.11", 0.6", ~5.46:1 ratio

Meh.

I was saying to Al in a different thread earlier when he gave the central park 4 pm total as 0.6 which seemed correct at the time that the Conservancy seems to have all of their problems with the 7pm and midnight measurements and today is just another example of that, as was the last storm as was the blizzard last January.

So now they're telling us between 4-7 pm when Newark had .6 inches of snow and JFK HAD .6 inches of snow and LGA had .6 inches of snow that Central Park had no measurable snow. It's just absurd, unacceptable and it never gets fixed unless we complain and often times not even then. The question is when does it get fixed for good. Measuring snow is not a complex task. So frustrating and so many years of it. From the zookeeper to the Conservancy there is no improvement, it may even be worse.
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by Math23x7 on Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:41 am

And the updated Climate report came out and CPK is still stuck at 0.6".

Now LaGuardia's snow total is also stuck at 0.6" as of the latest update. Maybe they did not get an updated measurement.

As for the others:

EWR: 1.4"
JFK: 1.8"
ISP: 1.5"
BDR: 1.3"

When I wake up, I can only hope that they receive an updated measurement. This is getting beyond ridiculous.

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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:10 am

Math23x7 wrote:And the updated Climate report came out and CPK is still stuck at 0.6".

Now LaGuardia's snow total is also stuck at 0.6" as of the latest update.  Maybe they did not get an updated measurement.

As for the others:

EWR: 1.4"
JFK: 1.8"
ISP: 1.5"
BDR: 1.3"

When I wake up, I can only hope that they receive an updated measurement.  This is getting beyond ridiculous.
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It's again reached the breaking point. They always say the same sh!t "we know there's a problem we're working on fixing it". They now have been giving me that line for five Fn years and still they can't get it right. And even if they do intervene and fix the totals from this storm or the last storm we just get the SOS from the next storm.
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by sroc4 on Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:35 am

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
Math23x7 wrote:And the updated Climate report came out and CPK is still stuck at 0.6".

Now LaGuardia's snow total is also stuck at 0.6" as of the latest update.  Maybe they did not get an updated measurement.

As for the others:

EWR: 1.4"
JFK: 1.8"
ISP: 1.5"
BDR: 1.3"

When I wake up, I can only hope that they receive an updated measurement.  This is getting beyond ridiculous.
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It's again reached the breaking point. They always say the same sh!t "we know there's a problem we're working on fixing it". They now have been giving me that line for five Fn years and still they can't get it right. And even if they do intervene and fix the totals from this storm or the last storm we just get the SOS from the next storm.

Could there be a conspiracy going on? Or an agenda? Honestly I say that in part jest but In large part serious. I mean they know it's a problem and they have been working on it but after how long does it become noticeable that there may be an intention to keep official records low balled. I can't imagine the reasoning but wtf.

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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by docstox12 on Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:40 am

Frank, do we have any members of the Board that live near CPK? I think we had a poster that worked in Manhattan.At least that member might be able to take a measurement so we could have an accurate report instead of relying on the Conservancy, which despite its apologies and promises to "fix' the situation,appears to be unable to get accurate measurements.

CP has come up with an excellent observation.Reports from CPK seem to be accurate up to 4 PM as per Al's observation yesterday.They drop the ball in the later hour measurements.Maybe they change shifts?

Anyway,NYC is the greatest City in the world and this situation is not tolerable or acceptable.

Frank, maybe we need another designation for the folks here, CP,Weatherwatchermom, Ryan, Math called something like the "CPK Warriors" who fight a never ending battle for truth, justice...AND an accurate measurement.I
d like to see CP recognized before the Conservancy puts him in OTI Sanitarium for good.Remember the Mantra CP, if that happens......"every day in every way I'm getting better". All joking aside,you are amazing buddy!!!
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:56 am

sroc4 wrote:
CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
Math23x7 wrote:And the updated Climate report came out and CPK is still stuck at 0.6".

Now LaGuardia's snow total is also stuck at 0.6" as of the latest update.  Maybe they did not get an updated measurement.

As for the others:

EWR: 1.4"
JFK: 1.8"
ISP: 1.5"
BDR: 1.3"

When I wake up, I can only hope that they receive an updated measurement.  This is getting beyond ridiculous.
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It's again reached the breaking point. They always say the same sh!t "we know there's a problem we're working on fixing it". They now have been giving me that line for five Fn years and still they can't get it right. And even if they do intervene and fix the totals from this storm or the last storm we just get the SOS from the next storm.

Could there be a conspiracy going on?  Or an agenda? Honestly I say that in part jest but In large part serious. I mean they know it's a problem and they have been working on it but after how long does it become noticeable that there may be an intention to keep official records low balled. I can't imagine the reasoning but wtf.

You could almost guess anything at this point. It's beyond absurd that they don't ever do anything to permanently fix this. As I've said 1 million times this isn't difficult stuff, we're talking about measuring snow were not putting people on Mars.

Doc, to your point we do have a member That posts here a lot that lives pretty close to Central Park. Soulsing  if I'm not mistaken lives no more than a mile from Central Park, the north section. I remember back from the boxing day blizzard when Central Park posted the ridiculous 20 inches for that storm  I had asked him about it and he said there was at least 25 inches, which does seem to be the consensus for that storm. Of course it's never been corrected and never will be.

So many historical records and they're all wrong and useless. I remember one of our posters, I believe Frank538, just recently referencing 96 blizzard and how they had 29 inches in the Bronx and in Central Park received 20, that's of course what he believes because it's the so called official record. Of course Central Park received 25 to 28 inches during that storm but it will never be recorded  because no one gives a crap and that really goes down as a mark against NOAA  as they know better and choose to do nothing.


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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by Frank_Wx on Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:17 am

docstox12 wrote:Frank, do we have any members of the Board that live near CPK? I think we had a poster that worked in Manhattan.At least that member might be able to take a measurement so we could have an accurate report instead of relying on the Conservancy, which despite its apologies and promises to "fix' the situation,appears to be unable to get accurate measurements.

CP has come up with an excellent observation.Reports from CPK seem to be accurate up to 4 PM as per Al's observation yesterday.They drop the ball in the later hour measurements.Maybe they change shifts?

Anyway,NYC is the greatest City in the world and this situation is not tolerable or acceptable.

Frank, maybe we need another designation for the folks here, CP,Weatherwatchermom, Ryan, Math called something like the "CPK Warriors" who fight a never ending battle for truth, justice...AND an accurate measurement.I
d like to see CP recognized before the Conservancy puts him in OTI Sanitarium for good.Remember the Mantra CP, if that happens......"every day in every way I'm getting better". All joking aside,you are amazing buddy!!!

It's not a bad idea Doc. I'm sure we can find someone to be our designated CPK snowfall measurer. But, how will they ensure the Conservancy records an accurate number? CP is correct...by 7pm those people give no F's. I would love to see their snow measurement when a storm only hits between 7pm-11pm. That would be kinda funny but sad.

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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by docstox12 on Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:27 pm

Frank, that sure would show up the night shift at the Conservancy, if any, a quick hitting snowstorm starting at 5 Pm and ending at 11 dropping 3 or 4 inches.Let's see if that scenario will play out this year and what happens at CPK as a result.Now I'm really interested in that scenario.

If we can find a member near CPK who would not find it inconvenient to measure, it would be great because then we would finally be getting accurate totals.
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by billg315 on Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:36 pm

Appropriate Legal Action has been filed in the court of Off Topic Island. I direct all citizens of OTI and inhabitants of the mainland to OTI's records department to review the recently filed legal papers.
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:12 am

Yesterday was a very minor event snow and sleet wise fro NYC but at least the 3 airports went outside to measure, Central Park just couldn't be bothered. LGA 0.3, JFK 0.1 and EWR 0.1. We've all grown accustomed to it but it still doesn't make it right.

At this time I'd like to give up my 30 year quest to get Central Park to report accurate measurements. Just use the measurements at LGA for NYC official snowfall totals and you can still use the temperatures at Central Park for the official daily highs and lows. In the two years the Conservancy has taken over they have been at least the equal of the Zookeeper in under measuring if not worse.

That is all for this debacle.
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:14 am

I can't even imagine how bad The Conservancy will be with Tuesday's storm but I'm bracing for their worst and I'm sure they won't disappoint. However bad it is im not letting this one go. It could be a historic March storm for NYC and they better not F it up.
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by docstox12 on Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:26 am

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:I can't even imagine how bad The Conservancy will be with Tuesday's storm but I'm bracing for their worst and I'm sure they won't disappoint. However bad it is im not letting this one go. It could be a historic March storm for NYC and they better not F it up.

My Good Man, what on God's Green Earth are you doing fighting this lost cause at 4:15 AM.I'm gonna have to send the men in the white suits with butterfly nets after you from the Sanitarium,LOL.Just joking my Pal, you keep on fighting the good fight because it is truly a shame what goes on there at the Conservancy.We have our crew manning the rulers all around Central park so we will have a pretty good idea of what really falls in this storm.
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:15 pm

March 14th 2017 storm summary - A+ for the Consevancy

7.6 inches in Central Park actually sounds about right for this storm when comparing it to all other surrounding areas.

I wonder if NOAA gave the Conservancy a well deserved tongue lashing after their other F ups this winter? More likely it is just the case of even a broken clock being correct twice a day.
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by Math23x7 on Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:21 pm

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:March 14th 2017 storm summary - A+ for the Consevancy

7.6 inches in Central Park actually sounds about right for this storm when comparing it to all other surrounding areas.

I wonder if NOAA gave the Conservancy a well deserved tongue lashing after their other F ups this winter? More likely it is just the case of even a broken clock being correct twice a day.

The bigger question is: Will NOAA fix the head scratching 1/7 and 1/14 snow totals?

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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by dad4twoboys on Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:22 pm

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:March 14th 2017 storm summary - A+ for the Consevancy

7.6 inches in Central Park actually sounds about right for this storm when comparing it to all other surrounding areas.

I wonder if NOAA gave the Conservancy a well deserved tongue lashing after their other F ups this winter? More likely it is just the case of even a broken clock being correct twice a day.


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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by billg315 on Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:51 pm

This is the second recent bigger storm they've gotten right. It's almost as if they've been under pressure from legal action filed by the inhabitants of some rogue cyber-island.
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