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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:52 pm

billg315 wrote:This is the second recent bigger storm they've gotten right. It's almost as if they've been under pressure from legal action filed by the inhabitants of some rogue cyber-island.

lol! lol! lol! lol! I should have given credit where credit was due.
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by docstox12 on Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:57 pm

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
billg315 wrote:This is the second recent bigger storm they've gotten right. It's almost as if they've been under pressure from legal action filed by the inhabitants of some rogue cyber-island.

lol! lol! lol! lol! I should have given credit where credit was due.

If true, this will be one of the best achievements of my life maintaining and governing OTI, which led to the intimidation of the Conservancy!!!

"The fight for truth, justice, and the proper measuring way!"
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:01 pm

docstox12 wrote:
CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
billg315 wrote:This is the second recent bigger storm they've gotten right. It's almost as if they've been under pressure from legal action filed by the inhabitants of some rogue cyber-island.

lol! lol! lol! lol! I should have given credit where credit was due.

If true, this will be one of the best achievements of my life maintaining and governing OTI, which led to the intimidation of the Conservancy!!!

"The fight for truth, justice, and the proper measuring way!"

lol! lol! lol! Where'e the superman logo? You're slipping Doc.
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by docstox12 on Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:06 pm

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
docstox12 wrote:
CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
billg315 wrote:This is the second recent bigger storm they've gotten right. It's almost as if they've been under pressure from legal action filed by the inhabitants of some rogue cyber-island.

lol! lol! lol! lol! I should have given credit where credit was due.

If true, this will be one of the best achievements of my life maintaining and governing OTI, which led to the intimidation of the Conservancy!!!

"The fight for truth, justice, and the proper measuring way!"

lol! lol! lol! Where'e the superman logo? You're slipping Doc.

A HA!!, I left it out to test you my Good Man, you and a few of the other old heads around this joint would be the only ones to pick THAT chestnut up,LOL.

A Plus for you CP!!!
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by Math23x7 on Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:04 pm

I just sent this e-mail to Upton:

To whom it may concern,

With the winter winding down, I wanted to say that despite some of the tricky forecasts from the past week, you have all done a very good job regarding winter weather forecasting.  Central Park is currently at 30.2" for the season, which is quite remarkable given how warm much of the winter was.

There were two snow events from last January, however, that I, and many others, believe were under-measured at the Conservancy: January 7th and January 14th.

1) January 7th

The January 7th snow event featured temperatures in the low 20s, thus snowfall ratios were pretty high.  As of 4 PM, Central Park measured 4.3" of snow with 0.21" qpf, which is a snowfall ratio of over 20:1:

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLINYC&e=201701072151

Other surrounding snowfalls totals through 4 PM were similar:

https://twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/817852106648539142

From 4 PM to 7 PM, Central Park had recorded 0.10" qpf.  Since the cold air persisted throughout the storm, the ratios should have been pretty high, An additional 1-2" of snow, perhaps a bit more should have been added to the snow total.  However, the snow total went from 4.3" to 5.0", a 0.7" difference.  Meanwhile, during those three hours, Newark had 1.5", LaGuardia had 1.7" and JFK had 1.9."

The final snow total for CPK was 5.1", which came after 0.1" was added from 0.01" qpf.

2) January 14th

While the January 14th snow event was much lighter, it too carried a suspicious snowfall measurement.

Through 4 PM, Central Park had 0.6", Newark had 0.7", JFK had 0.6" and LaGuardia's had yet to be determined.

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLINYC&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLIEWR&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLIJFK&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLILGA&e=201701142147

While CPK had 0.04" qpf before 4 PM, it had 0.08" qpf after 4 PM, including 0.07" qpf before 7 PM.  During this time, temperatures were around 30 degrees.  In those three hours, Newark had. 0.6" and JFK had 1.0".  LaGuardia, which did not have a snow measurement earlier, had 0.6" of snow.  Yet Central Park's 7 PM measurement remained at 0.6".

https://twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/820426509731172353

This would be the final snow total for the Conservancy.  Using that logic, no measurable snow fell in Central Park when it was snowing steadily after sunset.

The snow totals from the rest of the snow events from the past winter seem to be okay.

The last couple of years, you have made some corrections to suspicious snowfall totals.  In March 2015, you updated snow totals from three snow events from the winter:

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=PNSOKX&e=201503241456

Also, last year, the suspicious 26.8" from the January 2016 blizzard was updated to 27.5."

http://www.noaa.gov/media-release/review-of-jan-2016-blizzard-preliminary-snow-totals-validates-dc-measurement

I praise your efforts to get the snow totals accurate.  I hope you look into the two aforementioned snow events.  

Mike

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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:23 pm

Math23x7 wrote:I just sent this e-mail to Upton:

To whom it may concern,

With the winter winding down, I wanted to say that despite some of the tricky forecasts from the past week, you have all done a very good job regarding winter weather forecasting.  Central Park is currently at 30.2" for the season, which is quite remarkable given how warm much of the winter was.

There were two snow events from last January, however, that I, and many others, believe were under-measured at the Conservancy: January 7th and January 14th.

1) January 7th

The January 7th snow event featured temperatures in the low 20s, thus snowfall ratios were pretty high.  As of 4 PM, Central Park measured 4.3" of snow with 0.21" qpf, which is a snowfall ratio of over 20:1:

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLINYC&e=201701072151

Other surrounding snowfalls totals through 4 PM were similar:

https://twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/817852106648539142

From 4 PM to 7 PM, Central Park had recorded 0.10" qpf.  Since the cold air persisted throughout the storm, the ratios should have been pretty high, An additional 1-2" of snow, perhaps a bit more should have been added to the snow total.  However, the snow total went from 4.3" to 5.0", a 0.7" difference.  Meanwhile, during those three hours, Newark had 1.5", LaGuardia had 1.7" and JFK had 1.9."

The final snow total for CPK was 5.1", which came after 0.1" was added from 0.01" qpf.

2) January 14th

While the January 14th snow event was much lighter, it too carried a suspicious snowfall measurement.

Through 4 PM, Central Park had 0.6", Newark had 0.7", JFK had 0.6" and LaGuardia's had yet to be determined.

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLINYC&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLIEWR&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLIJFK&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLILGA&e=201701142147

While CPK had 0.04" qpf before 4 PM, it had 0.08" qpf after 4 PM, including 0.07" qpf before 7 PM.  During this time, temperatures were around 30 degrees.  In those three hours, Newark had. 0.6" and JFK had 1.0".  LaGuardia, which did not have a snow measurement earlier, had 0.6" of snow.  Yet Central Park's 7 PM measurement remained at 0.6".

https://twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/820426509731172353

This would be the final snow total for the Conservancy.  Using that logic, no measurable snow fell in Central Park when it was snowing steadily after sunset.

The snow totals from the rest of the snow events from the past winter seem to be okay.

The last couple of years, you have made some corrections to suspicious snowfall totals.  In March 2015, you updated snow totals from three snow events from the winter:

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=PNSOKX&e=201503241456

Also, last year, the suspicious 26.8" from the January 2016 blizzard was updated to 27.5."

http://www.noaa.gov/media-release/review-of-jan-2016-blizzard-preliminary-snow-totals-validates-dc-measurement

I praise your efforts to get the snow totals accurate.  I hope you look into the two aforementioned snow events.  

Mike

Mike:

Excellent in every way, the detail, the tone, the logical explanation etc. As you know I sent a couple of letters back in Janurary regarding both of these events and got nowhere, not even a reply. If they change these two now all credit goes to you on this one. Nice job I hope they listen.

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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:50 pm

Math23x7 wrote:I just sent this e-mail to Upton:

To whom it may concern,

With the winter winding down, I wanted to say that despite some of the tricky forecasts from the past week, you have all done a very good job regarding winter weather forecasting.  Central Park is currently at 30.2" for the season, which is quite remarkable given how warm much of the winter was.

There were two snow events from last January, however, that I, and many others, believe were under-measured at the Conservancy: January 7th and January 14th.

1) January 7th

The January 7th snow event featured temperatures in the low 20s, thus snowfall ratios were pretty high.  As of 4 PM, Central Park measured 4.3" of snow with 0.21" qpf, which is a snowfall ratio of over 20:1:

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLINYC&e=201701072151

Other surrounding snowfalls totals through 4 PM were similar:

https://twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/817852106648539142

From 4 PM to 7 PM, Central Park had recorded 0.10" qpf.  Since the cold air persisted throughout the storm, the ratios should have been pretty high, An additional 1-2" of snow, perhaps a bit more should have been added to the snow total.  However, the snow total went from 4.3" to 5.0", a 0.7" difference.  Meanwhile, during those three hours, Newark had 1.5", LaGuardia had 1.7" and JFK had 1.9."

The final snow total for CPK was 5.1", which came after 0.1" was added from 0.01" qpf.

2) January 14th

While the January 14th snow event was much lighter, it too carried a suspicious snowfall measurement.

Through 4 PM, Central Park had 0.6", Newark had 0.7", JFK had 0.6" and LaGuardia's had yet to be determined.

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLINYC&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLIEWR&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLIJFK&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLILGA&e=201701142147

While CPK had 0.04" qpf before 4 PM, it had 0.08" qpf after 4 PM, including 0.07" qpf before 7 PM.  During this time, temperatures were around 30 degrees.  In those three hours, Newark had. 0.6" and JFK had 1.0".  LaGuardia, which did not have a snow measurement earlier, had 0.6" of snow.  Yet Central Park's 7 PM measurement remained at 0.6".

https://twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/820426509731172353

This would be the final snow total for the Conservancy.  Using that logic, no measurable snow fell in Central Park when it was snowing steadily after sunset.

The snow totals from the rest of the snow events from the past winter seem to be okay.

The last couple of years, you have made some corrections to suspicious snowfall totals.  In March 2015, you updated snow totals from three snow events from the winter:

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=PNSOKX&e=201503241456

Also, last year, the suspicious 26.8" from the January 2016 blizzard was updated to 27.5."

http://www.noaa.gov/media-release/review-of-jan-2016-blizzard-preliminary-snow-totals-validates-dc-measurement

I praise your efforts to get the snow totals accurate.  I hope you look into the two aforementioned snow events.  

Mike

Hey Math, just curious if they gave you any reply on this yet?
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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by Math23x7 on Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:03 pm

Still no reply. There was one time that I got a reply but it was not related to snow totals. It was regarding the fact that they removed almost all of the archived storm info from 2001-14 from their main page. I asked if it would be returning. Four days later I got a response saying that it unfortunately would not be done. At least we still have the text product Archive but it is without the maps.

In 2015 and 2016, the revised snow totals were released on March 24th and April 28th, respectively. I hope this gets done sooner rather than later (if at all). As Vic Dibitetto would say "HOWLONGIGOTTAWAIT" (followed by the look).

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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by Math23x7 on Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:34 pm

I just got a response!

Thanks Mike -

We'll look into this.

It's amazing that the seemingly simplest thing like measuring snow can be so difficult.

Appreciate your e-mail !!!

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Re: The Conservancy got it right for once

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:46 pm

Math23x7 wrote:I just got a response!

Thanks Mike -

We'll look into this.  

It's amazing that the seemingly simplest thing like measuring snow can be so difficult.  

Appreciate your e-mail !!!

Jeff

Hey Mike that's fantastic. The same guy I always got responses from always signed it Jeff. When he replied it was usually a good sign that something was going to get done. The little sarcastic comment at the end tells me it's the same guy because he would often vent his frustration at the Central Park Zoo and their inability to measure properly.

Great job, lets not enter those 2016/17 totals in the books yet. You may go from apprentice to master if you get this one changed.

Odd he never replied to me this season, I guess they had enough of me and needed a fresh face. Finally I can retire.

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