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Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Frank_Wx on Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:51 pm

No pluses or minuses. How would you grade this winter? Assuming the Friday winter storm potential does not pan out for the area I will give this winter a B.

Positives: 1 historic / Roidzilla storm, central park got below 0 degrees for first time in 22 years, there was not many stretches of extreme, bone chilling cold, above normal snow year for Central Park .

Negatives: December was an all out torch (70* on Christmas!), only 2 "real" or worthy winter storms, too many cutters, not many days of below normal temperatures. 

This is all personal preference. Curious to read other perspectives.

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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by jimv45 on Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:59 pm

Can I go Lower then F? This winter for me has been a bad dream of south and east and cutters can I wake up now!!!

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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by frank 638 on Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:03 pm

For me a d from warmest Dec ever to a blizzard in Jan to a flake of snow in feb .I don't think march will see snow if we do it will be a heavy wet slop  snow yuck

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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Frank_Wx on Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:04 pm

I'll combine these votes with the twitter ones 

https://twitter.com/nj_strong_wx/status/704093771978432513

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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Frank_Wx on Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:08 pm

18 votes on Twitter already and 44% gave it an F. 

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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by skinsfan1177 on Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:33 pm

Honestly it's all about what you prefer. For me I give it a C middle of the road and that's only because of the roidzilla where I received appirox. 26 inches. Which gave me 20+ hours of Overtime. Had another above average snowfall total which I believe is the 4 consecutive years. Another positive was the gas bill was significantly less this year especially in December. What I loved the most was how good the models did with the storms. That was a joke lol. But seriously I learned a lot from all you great ones on here more So than the past years. Of I had a negative it would be the lack of more snow for the OT but can't be greedy.
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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Quietace on Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:40 pm

I graded it a F based on solely on FRZ Rain/rain events and minimal snowfall here in Plymouth. I am impartial to it emotionally as I consider myself more of a Tropical Cyclone/summer time  fan rather than a frozen precip/Mid Latitude cyclone individual....

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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Taffy on Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:41 pm

Can I check with CP first and let you know?  lol!


Despite the Roid we had, I gave it an F. December was just too warm and I couldn't get into the holiday spirit with 60 degrees on Christmas Day. The snow from the good storm we did have was gone within 10 days.....the winter was just a bust for me.
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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by amugs on Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:07 pm

I gave it a C:

Roidzilla, record cold two huge pluses as well as pattern flip as said in mid Jan

Negatives - DEC blow torch and Feb disappointment


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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Math23x7 on Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:12 pm

Without question, When I think back to all of the snowstorms from December 1998 (when I began to pay serious attention to snow at the age of eight) through February 2016 that I remember, The January 22-23, 2016 blizzard will be my all time favorite snowstorm, with the runner-ups featuring the snowstorm from the 2009-10 and 2010-11.  I don't think my hometown of Bellerose (not Central Park, Bellerose) had ever recorded 25" of snow before.  Looking back at all of the cases in the KU book, the most snow here came from the February 1969 "Lindsay Day" snowstorm when 22" fell.  Of course, we had the miserable December which put a damper on my Christmas (It's the first time I can recall wearing a short-sleeve shirt while unwrapping presents Christmas morning).  But I have to ask myself, which winter would I prefer? 2001-02, 2011-12, or 2015-16, I would take 2015-16 in a heartbeat.  So I give this winter a C.

On a side note: For a while, I have asked myself what it would be like on this forum if the 1995-96 snow season, rather than taking place when it did, took place now.  A lot of you would probably put in an A but the thing to take note of is the fact that there were two significant thaws, one of them being in mid-to-late January 1996 when high temperatures were mainly in the 40s and 50s and over two inches of rain fell (and there was significant flooding in portions in the northeast in places such as the Alleghany River in Pittsburgh), the other one taking place in mid-to-late February 1996 where temperatures rose into the 50s and 60s!  Without question there would have been many complaints about this in the Banter Thread.  Of course, the forum would have been in full celebratory mode on the day that the snowfall record was broken (March 2nd, 1996 is when it overtook the 63.2" in 1947-48).  On the other hand, CP would have posted that the celebration should have taken place weeks earlier, but that the zookeeper denied us.  Of course, CP would have led us into convincing the National Weather Service to change the seasonal total from 75.6" to 80-85"+.  As I mentioned several times on the forum, I was five years old then and it was before I really focused on the weather, but man it must of been something for those old enough to follow it.  I know this is slightly off-topic but I do wonder if the two thaws during the 1995-96 winter would have prevented A's on that winter.

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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Fededle22 on Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:14 pm

I gave this winter a D. The warm December and rain-filled February were huge negatives. While the roidzilla would have raised it to a C, I didn't give it as much credit because it fell on a weekend and did not provide me any days off from work... just a lot of my weekend spent digging out. If we somehow pull out another storm, I will raise it to a C.
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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by algae888 on Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:16 pm

C. it feels like it was an F. however I can't mark it an F because of Jonas which gave CPK its record 24 hour snowfall. however if you took Jonas out of the equation this was by far and i mean BY FAR!!! the worst winter ever. second warmest and only 4.4 inches of snow and only one storm to track. Ihtw!!!!!
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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Frank_Wx on Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:30 pm

Mike 1995-1996 would still be a B in my book. Those "once in a lifetime" type of storms shouldn't be taken for granted. Who knows when we'll see the next Jonas. Of course, many people judging by these grades prefer numerous light to moderate events with temps below normal over a historic storm.

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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by TheAresian on Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:35 pm

My red-neck of the woods didn't see anything to make this a worthwhile winter. No note worthy snow events nor record cold. A lot of upper 30s and rain. The blizzard passed south and east. On the bright side, I was able to accrue a lovely collection of long term snowfall forecast maps that completely missed the mark. I give it an F, but if it takes a step backwards it falls into abyss of Z-.
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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:44 pm

The HV is an F without any thought involved so I'd like to grade NYC's winter if I may.

Let's See:

1. The warmest December in recorded history beating second place by almost 7 full degrees. F-

2. The second warmest December through February period in recorded history.   F-

3. Only 20 days out of 91 in the Met Winter below average. D-

4. Snow cover for barely one week the entire winter. D

5. Greatest sustained cold period only 9 days in February when 7 of the 9 were below average.  D+

6. Ponds and lakes never froze solid for ice skating. A generation is starting to think this is the new norm, maybe it is? F

7. Second greatest snow fall of all time 26.8 inches in CPK, 30.5 inches at JFK, 34 in parts of Queens A+

8. Central Park finally cracks 0, hitting -1 after the longest period of above 0 in history, 22 long years. A+

9. All three months of Met Winter above normal temperatures. F

10. Snowfall other than the blizzard 4.4 inches. Seasonal snowfall of 31.2 barely above the running 30 year seasonal average of 28.7.  C-

Adding them all together I think I would be generous giving NYC a C- for this winter. I think Al said it best, without the blizzard this is a no brainer F. Just realized Frank said no plus or minus so I'd go with a C for NYC, but that's grading on a curve.
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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Isotherm on Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:07 pm

It was a C+/B- up through this week, but if I don't receive any accumulating snow the remainder of this winter, it will be a solid C.

December: F. Lowest grade possible, even though a non-month was expected, due to furnace temperatures [record warmth] and zero snow.

January: A. Great winter month overall. 25.1" of snow total - a top 10 snowy January. Mean temperature of 31.0F, exactly normal here. Snow cover most days from Jan 17th-Jan 31st.

February: C. Ok/fair month. Snowfall not terrible. Recorded 7.1" which is only 1-2" below normal. Had snow cover for most of the Feb 1st-10th period. 20 snow cover days total Jan-Feb. Temps slightly above normal, around +1.3.

Jan-Feb couplet a B. Definitely a back-loaded winter, though if March had a significant storm it would go along way to confirm that idea. I'm left wanting more this season, and certainly, one more event of even 6-8" or so would be satisfying. That would bring me close to 40" on the season. Right now I'm at 32.2". Slightly above normal if we saw the last flake.
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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Isotherm on Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:14 pm

Agree Mugs. If 1995-96 is an A, then there's no winter in history that's ever received an A. The brutal, unfortunate truth is that we don't live at a latitude sufficiently far north to avoid rainstorms for the entire winter. I believe, on average, at least 70% of our winter precipitation is in the form of rain. 1995-96 must have accomplished < 50% for sure.

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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:28 am

Frank_Wx wrote:Mike 1995-1996 would still be a B in my book. Those "once in a lifetime" type of storms shouldn't be taken for granted. Who knows when we'll see the next Jonas. Of course, many people judging by these grades prefer numerous light to moderate events with temps below normal over a historic storm.

This winter is a B and 1995/96 is also a B? Obviously joking? That's like comparing Sophia Vegara looks wise to Rosie Oddonell.
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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by docstox12 on Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:51 am

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
Frank_Wx wrote:Mike 1995-1996 would still be a B in my book. Those "once in a lifetime" type of storms shouldn't be taken for granted. Who knows when we'll see the next Jonas. Of course, many people judging by these grades prefer numerous light to moderate events with temps below normal over a historic storm.

This winter is a B and 1995/96 is also a B? Obviously joking? That's like comparing Sophia Vegara looks wise to Rosie Oddonell.


lol! lol! lol!

I know CP gave the HV an "F" but I am going with a "D".We did get a snowstorm of one foot and I had a night of 9 below zero.They guys north of I-84 would definitely get an F.The book is still open until the end of March.
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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Dunnzoo on Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:48 am

I give it a C. A nice snowstorm, bitter cold snap, and a great opportunity for learning about signals and variables that affect development and placement of storms in an unusual year. But we do have time left!

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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Dtone on Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:49 pm

It's a tough call this year. No plus or minus makes it more difficult. Any winter with above seasonal avg snowfall should be at least a C, or B. We (some) of us had a historic blizzard of a lifetime, that leads me to say a A. However if this is a A than what would 96 be? So that takes A off the table for me. So a B seems like a good bet, but it just lacks the feeling of a great winter. The lack of any other memorable (snow) event and the quick melt of snow make the impact seem less. I feel for people N&W it quickly becomes an F as you go north. NYC has 3x more snow than Albany. How often does that happen? In the end if I don't let the recent snowy winters distort my perception I give a final grade of B. Any winter that has a blizzard in the 30" range is automatically no less than a B by default. The winter didn't offer much else to go higher.
Lots of noteworthy events like mind boggling Dec warmth and severe weather in Feb were memorable but unfortunately not wintry.

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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by billg315 on Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:49 pm

I'm giving it a "C" but keep in mind this comes from a guy who loves snowstorms and enjoys cold weather (especially around the holidays) yet has some limits for both so I clearly don't fall into the true "snow weenie" category. The warm weather in December, especially around the holidays, and the lack of snow that month got us off to an "F" start. January improved marginally on the temperature front and gave me an historic blizzard that will go down as one of the best snowstorms I've been through. Had that been followed by a couple more snowstorms in February I would have given this winter a B verging on an A. But alas February was almost a complete bust but-for that one minor snow event on President's Day. So that dragged the grade back down to a "C". Personally I couldn't think of giving this winter an "F" or a "D". That snowstorm in January is the type I dream about and frankly will only see about once every 10-20 years. I can't just discount that. I would be happy to take one historic snowstorm that was almost perfect for my area, if I had to sacrifice 5 or 6 marginal 3-6" snow events to get it. I've been through winters where we've gotten NO significant snowstorms. So if a winter with a 27" storm is an "F" I don't know what I would give those other mild winters. lol.
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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by hyde345 on Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:20 pm

This was an easy one for me. It was a giant F with a big red marker. Truly awful winter up here. This area averages 33 inches of snow and I got 7 and every time it snowed it was gone less than 24 hours later. Combine that with the warmest December on record and 70* on Christmas and this could be the worst ever.
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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Snow88 on Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:05 am

C for me

One big snowstorm and that's it.

37 for the season ( 30 from the blizzard, 4 inches from the anafront, 2 inches from the front end snow a few weeks ago . 1.6 from snow showers )
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Re: Grade Winter 2015-2016

Post by Frank_Wx on Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:28 am

There were 67 votes on NJ Strong Twitter and more than half had either a D or F

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