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Re: March Observations and Discussions

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:25 am

28 degrees, snow shower, over a foot OTG and solid snow cover since March 2.

Like I always say March in the HV like it's suppose to be. A little extreme with the snow this year but I'm not complaining.

Temperatures only about 1-2 degrees below normal so far this month just showing we don't need extreme air masses in March, especially the first two weeks to produce snow. It definitely would have helped in coastal areas though. Hopefully its's there for the next storm.
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Post by docstox12 on Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:35 am

Same here, CP, heavy snow shower putting down a good coating.
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Post by dkodgis on Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:02 am

Snow squall here too. A coating.
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Post by dkodgis on Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:28 pm

Here, early afternoon...surprisingly brisk winds. Steady 18-20 mph with gusts almost to 30 mph. Eerie pockets of calm. I can hear the wind blowing for long periods.
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Re: March Observations and Discussions

Post by amugs on Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:28 pm

We had 2 great snow squalls here today - nothing to show OTG!

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Re: March Observations and Discussions

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:46 am

16° Low this morning, not bad for two days before the official start of spring.

17 straight days of snow cover in March. This is the way I always like to envision winter leaving, reluctantly.

I'll sacrifice this week storm up here just to see New York City get at least 3 inches and surpass 30 inches for the season for the fifth straight year. It would be only the second time that has ever happened. Considering two of those five years were among the top six warmest meteorological winters ever that would be quite an accomplishment.
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Re: March Observations and Discussions

Post by dkodgis on Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:00 am

It was a bit warmer, up-county. 20 this morning at 5 am. I hear birds more in the morning.
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Re: March Observations and Discussions

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:45 pm

One day till spring and it's 34 degrees at 12:40 with deep snow cover for almost the whole month and another storm pending.

I'm in heaven.
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Post by amugs on Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:59 pm

27* for me low today

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:29 am

It is funny that the media and general population is complaining about no spring and an absurdly cold March when statistically March is now 2.1 degrees below normal at Central Park.

It's better than being above normal but it's not like we're even close to being a top 30 coldest March.
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Post by Frank_Wx on Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:22 am

Almost 9 inches of snow from the storm Wednesday and pretty sure this morning I was down to 1 inch.

Damn you, March.

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Re: March Observations and Discussions

Post by docstox12 on Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:44 am

Frank_Wx wrote:Almost 9 inches of snow from the storm Wednesday and pretty sure this morning I was down to 1 inch.

Damn you, March.

Yes, Frank, the longer hours of daylight and the higher sun angle takes it's toll.Luckily up here at 600 feet plus, it's colder and the snowpack lasts longer, thought yesterday there was a good ding of melting.

31, cloudy.Glad for the clouds to block out the sun.Over a foot of snow OTG here.Maybe flurries later.
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Re: March Observations and Discussions

Post by billg315 on Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:55 am

So true. The just over 7" I measured yesterday morning was vanishing by the time I stopped home at lunch -- there were actually exposed patches of grass in spots where I had walked. This morning the only place in the yard with snow cover are the areas that are completely in the shade.
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Re: March Observations and Discussions

Post by syosnow94 on Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:39 am

I went from 16” down to 5” yesterday. After dinner I sat facing the sun in a tee shirt on my front porch and with no wind and near 50 degree temps it felt like late spring. I got a sunburn.

ALL LESS THAN 12 HOURS AFTER 16” OF SNOW. INCREDIBLE
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Re: March Observations and Discussions

Post by amugs on Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:45 am

Sun angle is equivalent to late September - so think of it this way - snow storm in late September.
NOW that would be remarkable for this area. Look into the record books to see if this has occurred in the last 250 years.


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Re: March Observations and Discussions

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:02 am

update


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Post by sroc4 on Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:02 am

amugs wrote:Sun angle is equivalent to late September - so think of it this way - snow storm in late September.
NOW that would be remarkable for this area. Look into the record books to see if this has occurred in the last 250 years.


Love this graphic Mugs. Im moving it to the weather education thread for future reference.

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Re: March Observations and Discussions

Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:09 am

amugs wrote:Sun angle is equivalent to late September - so think of it this way - snow storm in late September.
NOW that would be remarkable for this area. Look into the record books to see if this has occurred in the last 250 years.


Mugs we did have a very memorable snow storm in these parts on October 3-4, 1987. Many areas of the Hudson Valley including Orange County and parts of northern Rockland County and Westchester County received anywhere form 3 to 10 inches of snow. Parts of Dutchess and Ulster County received over a foot of snow with the leaves barely beginning to change yet. For years along the Taconic Parkway the tops of many of the trees looked like they had been blown off by a tornado as the heavy wet snow took most of the tops of the trees down because of the almost full foliage on all of them. I don't remember if it affected parts of North Jersey but I'm fairly confident in saying any elevated areas of North West Jersey must have seen at least several inches of accumulation from this.

I can't remember if New York City recorded a trace of snow from this but I think it was cold enough that they may have.

That's as close to a September snowstorm around these parts that I can ever remember and it was only 3-4 days away from actually happening September. The October 3-4 and of course the May 9-10, 1977 snowstorm will give people an idea that it can and does happen it's rare but when it does its memorable.

Below is an article on the storm it does say NW NJ received 3 inches and parts of SE NY between Kingston and Albany received 20 inches. It was amazing to say the least.

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/05/us/early-snowstorm-covers-northeast.html
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Post by TheAresian on Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:44 am

amugs wrote:Sun angle is equivalent to late September - so think of it this way - snow storm in late September.
NOW that would be remarkable for this area. Look into the record books to see if this has occurred in the last 250 years.


While it definitely wouldn't qualify as a storm, my mom has pictures of patchy snow on the ground in either May or June of 1970. It only stuck for a few hours, but it shows how unpredictable weather can be. As a banterish aside, it also shows how far cameras have come. Polaroids were a loooong time ago.
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Post by amugs on Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:09 pm

WOW Cp and Aresian awesome stuff. I don't recall that in 1987 I was in college then but I remember the 1977 one for some reason. Hey now with teh college incoming remarks.

@ SROC thanks did some research to find it , my pleasure.

Late September snowfall lets see we may have to go back to teh Maunder Minimum for this area - hey DOC you were around then taking care of teh teeth of Ivan the Great, Gally (Galileo) and the Normans right? LOL.

I am going to ask the venable UNC W if he has anything on this.

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Post by docstox12 on Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:40 pm

amugs wrote:WOW Cp and Aresian awesome stuff. I don't recall that in 1987 I was in college then  but I remember the 1977 one for some reason. Hey now with teh college incoming remarks.

@ SROC thanks did some research to find it , my pleasure.

Late September snowfall lets see we may have to go back to teh Maunder Minimum for this area - hey DOC  you were around then taking care of teh teeth of Ivan the Great, Gally (Galileo) and the Normans right? LOL.

I am going to ask the venable UNC W if he has anything on this.

lol!  lol!  lol!  lol!

You young whippersnapper!!!

GREAT chart Mugsy of the sun angles during the year!!

Partly cloudy, calm, my poor snow back getting blasted,LOL.
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Post by Dtone on Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:45 pm

Mostly sunny and 50*
very little evidence of snowfall exists. Yday got rid of most of it. Whatever survived overnight is done today. With nights staying just above freezing in the city no snow melt break here.

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Post by Math23x7 on Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:02 pm

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
amugs wrote:Sun angle is equivalent to late September - so think of it this way - snow storm in late September.
NOW that would be remarkable for this area. Look into the record books to see if this has occurred in the last 250 years.


Mugs we did have a very memorable snow storm in these parts on October 3-4, 1987. Many areas of the Hudson Valley including Orange County and parts of northern Rockland County and Westchester County received anywhere form 3 to 10 inches of snow. Parts of Dutchess and Ulster County received over a foot of snow with the leaves barely beginning to change yet. For years along the Taconic Parkway the tops of many of the trees looked like they had been blown off by a tornado as the heavy wet snow took most of the tops of the trees down because of the almost full foliage on all of them. I don't remember if it affected parts of North Jersey but I'm fairly confident in saying any elevated areas of North West Jersey must have seen at least several inches of accumulation from this.

I can't remember if New York City recorded a trace of snow from this but I think it was cold enough that they may have.

That's as close to a September snowstorm around these parts that I can ever remember and it was only 3-4 days away from actually happening September. The October 3-4 and of course the May 9-10, 1977 snowstorm will give people an idea that it can and does happen it's rare but when it does its memorable.

Below is an article on the storm it does say NW NJ received 3 inches and parts of SE NY between Kingston and Albany received 20 inches. It was amazing to say the least.

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/05/us/early-snowstorm-covers-northeast.html

CPK got down to 39 degrees with rain during the October 1987 event, but that's about it:

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/lcd/lcd.html?_finish=0.465467797576115

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Post by GreyBeard on Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:31 pm

You young whippersnapper!!!

GREAT chart Mugsy of the sun angles during the year!!

Partly cloudy, calm, my poor snow back getting blasted,LOL.[/quote]


Doc, You are either channeling Johnny Carson (the unclean yak reference) or Walter Brennan(you young whippersnapper) these days. Don't know if the younger guys and gals on here can relate. I can Very Happy

Sunny and calm today. Just hit 50°. Almost went snowblind shoveling yesterday once the sun broke through. Came inside and everything was hazy Shocked

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Post by docstox12 on Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:40 pm

GreyBeard wrote:You young whippersnapper!!!

GREAT chart Mugsy of the sun angles during the year!!

Partly cloudy, calm, my poor snow back getting blasted,LOL.


Doc, You are either channeling Johnny Carson (the unclean yak reference) or Walter Brennan(you young whippersnapper) these days. Don't know if the younger guys and gals on here can relate. I can Very Happy

Sunny and calm today. Just hit 50°. Almost went snowblind shoveling yesterday once the sun broke through. Came inside and everything was hazy Shocked[/quote]

LOL, thanks Greybeard! I think you, me and oldtimer are the old heads on this board.At least there are a few of us here,LOL! Have a great weekend.

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