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Update #1: Can NJ Make Up For Blizzard Bust?

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Post by devsman Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:55 am

need a 12" for Deblasio to close schools. Timing of it looks perfect though. Wasn't GGEM very south of other solutions? If it came up that fast in the models, hope it stops where it is now.

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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:55 am

amugs wrote:
rb924119 wrote:With ratios, it's probably a widespread 8-12" from Philly northward to just north of the Catskills.

Rb - not getting crazy here but if you get a 15:1 ratio with the 1" QPF - you have Godzilla and .8 QPF at 20:1 you have  16"

I am seeing right now a storm like we saw last Super bowl - but with much more QPF - very high ratios - remember this as the storm or Monday moves along the cold air is sinking in at the ratios go up so say you start at 12:1 you could very well end up at 18:1 or 20:1.

Also where the barclonic zone sets up between the waa and very cold air - a strip about 10-20 miles +  wide can get crushed due to the dynamics of the cold air and warm air clashing together - I hope it sets up over those area that were starved by last storm - Momma N has to even it out - sorry LI guys

I *think* that in a situation like this, the ratios might actually decrease slightly, especially the further south you go due to the strength of the WAA. Once the mid-level lows (850/700/500 HPa) get overhead and then pass that's when they'll start going up rather quickly. I'd expect a general 10-15:1 from south to north for at least the first half or two-thirds of the storm, before colder air can get drawn into the precipitation formation zone. Gotta remember, it's not the temperatures at the surface that matter; it's the ones aloft where the snow is actually being made that lead to your ratios.

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Post by jmanley32 Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:57 am

holy cow and thats 10:1

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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:57 am

By the way, GFS Ensembles are identical to the OP with respect to track and similar to intensity.

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Post by Frank_Wx Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:58 am

GGEM goes crazy. It phases the system off the coast and bombs it offshore

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:59 am

WWA stands for Warm Air Advection?

Why not WAA then?

Juts curious.
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Post by jmanley32 Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:59 am

its MECS plus for NYC and east, N & W see less on that run but still a good hit, if ratios are even 15:1 in NYC this will be much bigger than Juno.
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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:59 am

Uhhhhhh, ok crazy GGEM lmfao not gonna lie; you'd probably here me screaming from here ahahaha

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Post by jmanley32 Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:59 am

CP it is WAA someone mistyped I believe.
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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:00 pm

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:WWA stands for Warm Air Advection?

Why not WAA then?

Juts curious.

It is WAA. Did I mis-type it? If I did, it should be WAA. My bad.

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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:01 pm

GFS Ensemble snow:

http://images0.earthsat.com/misc/mod-images/GFS/EN/12/snosums/0024/GFS_12_enUS_SF_0078.png

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Post by mako460 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:01 pm

When is this whole shabang going to start? End?

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Post by amugs Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:02 pm

CMC 12Z - WAY NORTH AND AGREES WITH EURO AND GFS - GAME ON - THE LAST ONE TO JOIN THE FUN

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Post by amugs Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:02 pm

JESUS CRUSHES tOM - EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL DISAGREE - HAHAH!

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Post by Math23x7 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:03 pm

at hours 76 and 77, portions of NYC LI, particularly the areas on the immediate shoreline, do so a mix with sleet. Then it goes back over to snow. This is way north from last night's run. The question is, does it continue trending north to the point where we are talking about a rain storm in the NYC region?

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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:03 pm

Accumulation maps, anybody for the GGEM? Please lol

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Post by jmanley32 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:03 pm

surface temps in teens and 20s whole event, 850's -10 plus this would make most everyone golden for a godzilla, Frank when will you banner the forum if u feel these models are a lock? I know we need to be careful for a few reasons.
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Post by amugs Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:03 pm

rb924119 wrote:GFS Ensemble snow:

http://images0.earthsat.com/misc/mod-images/GFS/EN/12/snosums/0024/GFS_12_enUS_SF_0078.png

RB - BEAUTIFUL MODEL IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE!!!!!!!!!! Caps lock on - ahh who cares! Razz

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Post by jmanley32 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:03 pm

rb i posted it back up a bit
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Post by jimv45 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:04 pm

Even if the heavy stuff stays south of us mid-hudson people it is going to be real cold sunday night in monday with great ratios looks good for everyone right now!!!

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Post by jmanley32 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:04 pm

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12-16 without ratios in hghest areas!
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Post by amugs Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:04 pm

jmanley32 wrote:surface temps in teens and 20s whole event, 850's -10 plus this would make most everyone golden for a godzilla, Frank when will you banner the forum if u feel these models are a lock?  I know we need to be careful for a few reasons.

Jman - easy kid - lets not jinx it I know we are all excited etc but lets wait for another run or two possibly.

H5 looks great BTW

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:05 pm

I really should not let myself get caught up in this stuff today.

However the maps that were just posted above, and since there is somewhat of a consensus even at this early time, for an event that's three days away, are intriguing to say the least.

Back to work, until I returned in 15 min.
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Post by skinsfan1177 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:05 pm

I spelled it wrong my bad
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Post by Frank_Wx Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:05 pm

Mugs, I posted the CMC an hour ago.

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Post by sroc4 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:06 pm

Looks like the cmc is now on board with the GFS op/GEFS/EPS/00z Euro Op We shall make sure the 12z Euro holds. If the 00z hold tonight I think all will love my snow map in the morning. I feel like the cieling for this event has been trending higher. 12-16" is not out of the question if things hold suit.

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Post by jmanley32 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:06 pm

lol CP, right mugs in check : )
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