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Post by amugs Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:07 am

Okay is it mid winter or spring I am confused?
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30* and overcast what a storm.If it came at dawn to dusk we'd be waking up to more accumulations and if it were the middle of winter we'd have even more.

Mike those are incredible stats for Cpk you posted above.
what are the three year totals?

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Post by snow247 Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:14 am

Batch of snow moving in from NEPA.
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Post by snow247 Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:16 am

Light snow here, 28*
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Post by WeatherBob Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:19 am

Caldwell - 4 in total
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Post by snow247 Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:23 am

Congrats CT

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Post by Dtone Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:42 am

4.4" here including overnight and this morning snow showers.

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Post by Dtone Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:58 am

@Math23x7 wrote:CPK's March 20th snowfall measurement came in at 4.5" putting the March total at 18.6" for the 7th snowiest March on record and the seasonal snow total at 47.0", the 22nd snowiest on record.

Wrap your mind around this: The is the 4th time going back to 1869 that CPK has measured over 100" over two consecutive seasons combined:

1915-16: 50.7"
1916-17: 50.7"
Sum: 101.4"

1947-48: 63.2"
1948-49: 46.6"
Sum: 109.8"

2009-10: 51.4"
2010-11: 61.9"
Sum: 113.3"

2013-14: 57.4"
2014-15: 47.0"
Sum: 104.4"


One of the coldest Feb followed by a top 10 snowiest March. Nearly 50" of snow in CPK (in reality over 50" if you go by LGA)
I think its been a great winter.

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Post by sroc4 Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:24 am

Mod snow. I will get to 7" with this plus last night. Very Happy
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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:27 am

I gotta move to eastern LI, the new snow capital. Who would have thought.
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Post by docstox12 Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:33 am

Not me, I like it up here.70 inches in a season that did not feature any storm over one foot.My 35 years in Mahwah only had one season over 70 inches, 79 in '95-'96.Remember the November storm CP, we got 9 inches here while areas S and E got very little.The pendulum will swing back someday to favor areas N and W and when it does, we are going to get blasted up here.Luckily we are still able to catch some of the storms here that have been going S and E of us.The poor Snow Weenies up in Roscoe, 50 or 60 miles N and W of us have really been scrooed over.

Sun coming out, beautiful winter scene on the first day of Spring.


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Post by oldtimer Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:39 am

Light snow through very bright sky 30* 5.25"

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:01 am

@docstox12 wrote:Not me, I like it up here.70 inches in a season that did not feature any storm over one foot.My 25 years in Mahwah only had one season over 70 inches, 79 in '95-'96.Remember the November storm CP, we got 9 inches here while areas S and E got very little.The pendulum will swing back someday to favor areas N and W and when it does, we are going to get blasted up here.Luckily we are still able to catch some of the storms here that have been going S and E of us.The poor Snow Weenies up in Roscoe, 50 or 60 miles N and W of us have really been scrooed over.

Sun coming out, beautiful winter scene on the first day of Spring.

Even winters we get so called screwed like this one, like you say 70 inches is still a real nice winter. Of course the other big benefit is the cold which does keep our snowpack around a lot longer. Very true about 60 miles NW of us  that has been the true screw zone this winter.

Actually the true screw zone may be Alex up in Vermont. Boston has 108 inches and northern Vermont has 60-80 inches so far this season. The weather world has been turned upside down.
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Post by sroc4 Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:18 am

between today and last night I am adding 0.5" to my 6.75" total. For a total of 7.25" If this is it for me for the season I am a happy satisfied man. I said IF.. told ya

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:27 am

@Math23x7 wrote:I just made a snowfall measurement of 4" putting me over 50" on the year!

Hey Math there is no way. Absolutely no way you are at just 50" for the season. You are only 13 miles due west of me and I'm at 70.5" and I shovel for my parents who live in your neighborhood and the only time I received significantly more than them was Juno, and even that was only a 5" difference. Uou have to be at 60"+ Tired Mad Tired Mad

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Post by RJB8525 Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:35 am

and she goes, got 5" 90% is melted away already 36* strong sun
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Post by docstox12 Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:42 am

Strong Spring sun blasting away at the new snow.Will be curious to see what's left up here at the end of the day.
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Post by Math23x7 Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:08 am

syosnow94 wrote:
@Math23x7 wrote:I just made a snowfall measurement of 4" putting me over 50" on the year!

Hey Math there is no way.  Absolutely no way you are at just 50" for the season.  You are only 13 miles due west of me and I'm at 70.5" and I shovel for my parents who live in your neighborhood and the only time I received significantly more than them was Juno, and even that was only a 5" difference.  Uou have to be at 60"+ Tired Mad Tired Mad  

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James, you mentioned at the get together last January how you would be frustrated when it was raining where you were growing up and just a few miles north, it would be snowing. It happens quite a lot here. Whenever there is a snowstorm with mixing issues, Bellerose usually changes over to ice and rain sooner than both Central Park and Syosset because it is further south than those two. Also keep in mind that along the Grand Central Parkway (becomes the Northern State Parkway on Long Island) in Glen Oaks, there is a big hill. Now, the difference in elevation from just south of the GCP and the top of the hill is over 100 feet!. And then once you keep going north, there is a rapid downhill trend by the time you get to the L.I.E.. It keeps going down rapidly beyond that. This hill serves as a barrier for storms with mixed bags. Also, what tends to happen many times is that the further east a storm goes, the stronger it gets, which is why eastern Long Island and New England have had epic amounts of snow compared to NYC. Also, last year, I probably had one of the lowest snow totals out of anyone on this forum. I had 48.7" while CPK had 57.4" and many surrounding areas had 60-70"+. In fact, Upton has two zones in Queens: Northern Queens and Southern Queens. Draw a line from east to west going from the GCP at the Queens/Nassau County border to where the Jackie Robinson Parkway (formerly the Interborough Parkway) begins. Continue the line along the JRP until it goes into Brooklyn. That's the dividing line. So I am in Southern Queens, meaning my snow totals will be much closer to JFK airport's snow totals. If you look below, you will see my snow totals from this season.

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:12 am

@Math23x7 wrote:
syosnow94 wrote:
@Math23x7 wrote:I just made a snowfall measurement of 4" putting me over 50" on the year!

Hey Math there is no way.  Absolutely no way you are at just 50" for the season.  You are only 13 miles due west of me and I'm at 70.5" and I shovel for my parents who live in your neighborhood and the only time I received significantly more than them was Juno, and even that was only a 5" difference.  Uou have to be at 60"+ Tired Mad Tired Mad  

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James, you mentioned at the get together last January how you would be frustrated when it was raining where you were growing up and just a few miles north, it would be snowing.  It happens quite a lot here.  Whenever there is a snowstorm with mixing issues, Bellerose usually changes over to ice and rain sooner than both Central Park and Syosset because it is further south than those two.  Also keep in mind that along the Grand Central Parkway (becomes the Northern State Parkway on Long Island) in Glen Oaks, there is a big hill.  Now, the difference in elevation from just south of the GCP and the top of the hill is over 100 feet!.  And then once you keep going north, there is a rapid downhill trend by the time you get to the L.I.E..  It keeps going down rapidly beyond that.  This hill serves as a barrier for storms with mixed bags.  Also, what tends to happen many times is that the further east a storm goes, the stronger it gets, which is why eastern Long Island and New England have had epic amounts of snow compared to NYC.  Also, last year, I probably had one of the lowest snow totals out of anyone on this forum.  I had 48.7" while CPK had 57.4" and many surrounding areas had 60-70"+.  In fact, Upton has two zones in Queens: Northern Queens and Southern Queens.  Draw a line from east to west going from the GCP at the Queens/Nassau County border to where the Jackie Robinson Parkway (formerly the Interborough Parkway) begins.  Continue the line along the JRP until it goes into Brooklyn.  That's the dividing line.  So I am in Southern Queens, meaning my snow totals will be much closer to JFK airport's snow totals.  If you look below, you will see my snow totals from this season.

I know that hill. Commonwealth Blvd!! I trust your measurements I was just playing around with you. My parents house is 1/4 due east of thet hill by the way. Laughing Laughing

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Post by Dtone Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:00 pm

@Math23x7 wrote:
syosnow94 wrote:
@Math23x7 wrote:I just made a snowfall measurement of 4" putting me over 50" on the year!

Hey Math there is no way.  Absolutely no way you are at just 50" for the season.  You are only 13 miles due west of me and I'm at 70.5" and I shovel for my parents who live in your neighborhood and the only time I received significantly more than them was Juno, and even that was only a 5" difference.  Uou have to be at 60"+ Tired Mad Tired Mad  

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James, you mentioned at the get together last January how you would be frustrated when it was raining where you were growing up and just a few miles north, it would be snowing.  It happens quite a lot here.  Whenever there is a snowstorm with mixing issues, Bellerose usually changes over to ice and rain sooner than both Central Park and Syosset because it is further south than those two.  Also keep in mind that along the Grand Central Parkway (becomes the Northern State Parkway on Long Island) in Glen Oaks, there is a big hill.  Now, the difference in elevation from just south of the GCP and the top of the hill is over 100 feet!.  And then once you keep going north, there is a rapid downhill trend by the time you get to the L.I.E..  It keeps going down rapidly beyond that.  This hill serves as a barrier for storms with mixed bags.  Also, what tends to happen many times is that the further east a storm goes, the stronger it gets, which is why eastern Long Island and New England have had epic amounts of snow compared to NYC.  Also, last year, I probably had one of the lowest snow totals out of anyone on this forum.  I had 48.7" while CPK had 57.4" and many surrounding areas had 60-70"+.  In fact, Upton has two zones in Queens: Northern Queens and Southern Queens.  Draw a line from east to west going from the GCP at the Queens/Nassau County border to where the Jackie Robinson Parkway (formerly the Interborough Parkway) begins.  Continue the line along the JRP until it goes into Brooklyn.  That's the dividing line.  So I am in Southern Queens, meaning my snow totals will be much closer to JFK airport's snow totals.  If you look below, you will see my snow totals from this season.


Any map with topography shows that hill running through the middle of Qns. I've also noticed southerly sea breezes in spring and summer get up to that point easily, if it gets past that point it probably will influence the whole region instead of a localized area.
In Feb I had to go to JFK area a few times and I noticed the significantly smaller snow pack south of about the Grand Central..esp south of say Jamaica LIRR station. I was like wow there is patches of bare ground visible here. Parking in SE Queens areas was a breeze compared to snow clogged Bx streets

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Post by algae888 Sat Mar 21, 2015 2:44 pm

@RJB8525 wrote:and she goes, got 5" 90% is melted away already 36* strong sun
100 percent of the snow on paved surfaces is gone and about 60 percent on the grass. melted really quick
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Post by Dunnzoo Sat Mar 21, 2015 2:53 pm

My forecast was for 51° but we are overcast and in the low 40's

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Post by algae888 Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:43 pm

so the euro and the GFS basically nailed the storm as they had the 4 plus inch amounts into Connecticut whereas the nam, rgem and CMC had the heavier precipitation to the south. frank next winter we should have a model verification score with the operationals starting around day 7. I know scott started one for the h5 pattern earlier this winter. I think it could be a good tool helping us to forecast storms next year. it will help us to see which model handles different patterns the best. I think the biggest challenge with doing this is to be consistent as it will take a lot of time and effort. we will probably need a few people stay on top of it. what do you think?
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Post by NjWeatherGuy Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:45 pm

@algae888 wrote:so  the euro and the GFS basically nailed the storm as they had the 4 plus inch amounts into Connecticut whereas the nam, rgem and CMC had the heavier precipitation to the south. frank next winter we should have a model verification score with the operationals starting around day 7. I know scott started one for the h5 pattern earlier this winter. I think it could be a good tool helping us to forecast storms next year. it will help us to see which model handles different patterns the best. I think the biggest challenge with doing this is to be consistent as it will take a lot of time and effort. we will probably need a few people stay on top of it. what do you think?

Heaviest snow axis was essentially to the south where the EURO/GFS showed mixing and less amounts so Id say the RGEM/NAM in mid range did well.
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Post by algae888 Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:50 pm

[quot e="Nj WeatherGuy"]
@algae888 wrote:so  the euro and the GFS basically nailed the storm as they had the 4 plus inch amounts into Connecticut whereas the nam, rgem and CMC had the heavier precipitation to the south. frank next winter we should have a model verification score with the operationals starting around day 7. I know scott started one for the h5 pattern earlier this winter. I think it could be a good tool helping us to forecast storms next year. it will help us to see which model handles different patterns the best. I think the biggest challenge with doing this is to be consistent as it will take a lot of time and effort. we will probably need a few people stay on top of it. what do you think?

Heaviest snow axis was essentially to the south where the EURO/GFS showed mixing and less amounts so Id say the RGEM/NAM in mid range did well.[/quote]
I disagree the euro and gfs had four to six inch amounts from Philadelphia up through Connecticut. Fairfield County had the heaviest snow totals in Uptons area. Nam rgem we're showing 2 inch amounts for them. Check National Weather Service storm totals. some places in Fairfield County received 8 inches of snow
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Post by algae888 Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:55 pm

Nj if you go to tropical tidbits and check from 12z Wednesday through 12z Thursday gfs consistently showed 6 inches of snow from Philly right up through Connecticut. I believe Euro showed the same. the GFS did show less snow for Southern New Jersey but they're not really in our area
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