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Post by Math23x7 Wed May 11, 2016 5:57 pm

The Mets are 16-4 in games where they hit a home run, 4-8 in games where they do not hit a home run.  This means that 80% of their wins are when they hit the long ball.  

Flashback to 2011 when they were a classic small ball team in what was the last year that Jose Reyes and Angel Pagan were on the team.  Reyes and Pagan had 39 and 32 stolen bases, respectively.  Also keep in mind they also had current Dodger infielder Justin Turner, who filled in nicely at third base while David Wright was out for a couple of months.  

While they finished the season 77-85, it can actually be accounted for the fact that the Mets did not have the best pitching as Santana missed the whole season due to his (first) shoulder surgery.  After a 5-13 start, the small ball offense kicked into gear and by late June they were above .500.  Unfortunately, they had to make some trades because the Phillies and Braves were very good at the time.  (The Phillies remember had Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee, who were brilliant that year and the Braves were very good only to choke the last couple of weeks of the year thanks to the late-season surge from the Cardinals, who went on to win the World Series that year in dramatic fashion).  And also keep in mind that this was the last year before the second wild card was put into play.  Knowing this, the Mets had to trade away pending free agents K-Rod and Beltran and the team was unable to continue the surge afterwards.

That year, 40 of their 77 wins (52%) occurred when they did NOT hit a home run.  I would love to see the classic small ball return to this team, especially with the pitching staff they have now.

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Post by Snow88 Thu May 12, 2016 8:37 am

Wow Syndergaard with 2 homeruns. This kid has pop.

Mets win 4-3

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Colon pitching today. Imagine if he hits a homerun off of Kershaw? lol

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Post by Dunnzoo Thu May 12, 2016 9:17 am

Awesome night for Thor. But again, relying on the long ball. Several times they had men on base and couldn't drive them in. Hopefully they can get back to some small ball.

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Post by Math23x7 Thu May 12, 2016 10:29 pm

Now that Clayton Kershaw has plenty of run support, he just needs 24 outs to get a no-hitter. Ugh....gonna be a long night.....

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Post by docstox12 Fri May 13, 2016 8:35 am

Math, games like that, you just have to tip your hat and move on.
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Post by Dunnzoo Sun May 15, 2016 10:10 am

Bad call and an overall ugly game last night. Can't wait for them to get home. This has been one ugly road trip. Harvey still struggling, it's like every time he pitches, I feel they are going to lose, and there is no way they will send him down to work on it, even though that would be the best thing for him.

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Post by Math23x7 Tue May 17, 2016 10:54 pm

Dominant start by Syndergaard as he outpitched Max Scherzer tonight for the win!

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Post by Math23x7 Thu May 19, 2016 8:56 pm

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Post by Dunnzoo Thu May 19, 2016 10:56 pm

So ugly, feel bad that the reporters are really hounding him, asking for answers that he doesn't have. I have tickets for the 27th and 29th...1986 celebration weekend. Gonna get a ring and a jersey, and maybe Harvey won't pitch!

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Post by docstox12 Fri May 20, 2016 5:48 am

Dunz, you made an excellent point in an earlier post that this guy needs to be sent down to the minors to find himself.This is not helping him at all, defeat after defeat.I'd use Verritt for a starter now and hope Wheeler can replace Harvey when he returns in July.Don't see Harvey's issues as mechanical.Some guys never come back from surgery.He has never reached the pre-surgery Harvey status.
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Post by Snow88 Fri May 20, 2016 8:31 am

I was at the game last night. Harvey sucks.

The whole stadium was cursing and booing him when he left the mound.
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Post by docstox12 Fri May 20, 2016 1:30 pm

Don't agree with the stadium booing and cursing but this is New York and it's like a Roman Coliseum.With all that as a backdrop, its time to send him down to the minors before he mentally collapses.

Suddenly this "gold" rotation looks like copper.DeGrom down 2 MPH on his fastballs, Colon last starts shaky, Matz elbow concerns and Harvey on the rocks.Meanwhile Nats look dominant pitching wise with Scherzer,Gonzalez and Strasburg.Danny blew away Walker on this series.
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Post by Math23x7 Fri May 20, 2016 6:46 pm

I think the problem Met fans like myself have is that during his tenure with the Mets, Harvey has presented himself in an apparently cocky form. From hanging out with supermodels, to making an appearance on the Jimmy Fallon show, to presenting himself at Knicks, Rangers, and even at Jeter's last home game, one would think that he has achieved success. Last year and in 2013, however, he was a very good pitcher so we could get over all of that. At this point in the season, he is not a good pitcher. The booing at Citi Field last night gave Harvey a clear message: Your honeymoon is over! It's time for him to put aside everything I mentioned above and put in 100% commitment toward getting the New York Mets to the Canyon of Heroes at the parade in November. Years ago, Steve Trachsel struggled early in the season for the Mets, then got sent down to work on his mechanics and came back a different pitcher. Maybe that's what Harvey should undergo.

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Post by Dunnzoo Fri May 20, 2016 9:44 pm

FINALLY! Matz pitches well and we pull out a WIN! party

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Post by Dunnzoo Sat May 21, 2016 8:08 pm

Big win today! Glad David can still play regularly. If they can pull off another win tomorrow it will give them some nice momentum going to DC and it will help Harvey's confidence. LGM!

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Post by docstox12 Sun May 22, 2016 1:02 am

Yes, glad for Davey because he is trying so hard to work with his back problem.Gutty comeback game.Nice.Seem to be back on track.
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Post by Dunnzoo Sun May 22, 2016 9:37 pm

Suuuuweeeeep! Thank goodness, we will have some momentum going into DC!

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Post by Math23x7 Sun May 22, 2016 10:19 pm

The weather for tomorrow is threatening for the Mets-Nats game in DC.  This is the 18Z RGEM at hr 29 (7 PM) showing the total precipitation between 6 and 7 PM tomorrow:

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If tomorrow's game gets rained out, it will be interesting as to whether or not Tuesday will feature a day-night doubleheader.  If it does not, Terry Collins would have to decide on whether to pitch Colon on five days rest or Harvey on four days rest.  The 7 Line army is heading to DC on Tuesday specifically to support Harvey after he got lit up last Thursday.  If Colon pitches, it would defeat its purpose.  The wise choice would be to start Colon and frankly, that's what I would do.

Hopefully the game tomorrow gets played so this all becomes a moot point.

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Post by Snow88 Mon May 23, 2016 9:40 am

Syndergaard is a beast

Remember when he use to deal with command issues? Not anymore. Check out these stats.

5-2 1.94 era

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Post by Dunnzoo Mon May 23, 2016 11:29 pm

Another win for Big Sexy. In a postgame interview, he tells reporters he told the Nats catcher to have the pitcher just throw the ball over the plate, that he wasn't going to swing. And he didn't. His next at-bat, told him, really, not going to swing tonight. He has a little bit of a backache and didn't want to aggravate it with a 7-1 lead. Gotta love him! Now we see what happens at first base with Duda out.

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Post by Snow88 Mon May 23, 2016 11:32 pm

Cespedes has 15 homeruns already
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Post by Math23x7 Tue May 24, 2016 9:27 pm

15 years ago Steve Trachsel went down to the minors to work on his mechanics and he came back much better than he was before. That's what Harvey needs to do. Plain and simple.  Of course, since Scott Boras is his agent, he may block the potential move.  If that is the case, Harvey may never be the same pitcher. I know that in 2010 when Oliver Perez was struggling, the Mets wanted to do the same thing, but Scott Boras, Ollie's agent, said that should not be done. He has pitched solely in relief since then. If he doesn't make a stint in the minors for rehab, then he could meet the same fate as Ollie did and he may never get the big contract that Harvey and Boras were hoping for.

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Post by Snow88 Tue May 24, 2016 11:52 pm

Harvey stormed right out of the stadium after the game without talking to the reporters. Kevin Plawecki had to answer all of the questions about Harvey. SMFH.



He is getting too cocky



Big Sexy > Harvey
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Post by docstox12 Wed May 25, 2016 7:47 am

Math23x7 wrote:15 years ago Steve Trachsel went down to the minors to work on his mechanics and he came back much better than he was before. That's what Harvey needs to do. Plain and simple.  Of course, since Scott Boras is his agent, he may block the potential move.  If that is the case, Harvey may never be the same pitcher. I know that in 2010 when Oliver Perez was struggling, the Mets wanted to do the same thing, but Scott Boras, Ollie's agent, said that should not be done. He has pitched solely in relief since then. If he doesn't make a stint in the minors for rehab, then he could meet the same fate as Ollie did and he may never get the big contract that Harvey and Boras were hoping for.

Dunz mentioned a few weeks ago that Harvey needed to be sent down and she hit the nail on the head.Harvey will become a head case like Mike Pelfrey did.It is doing Harvey no good to get beat to a pulp outing after outing.Gary Cohen mentioned his third time around the batting order stat is an ERA approaching 6.Gary mentioned the Mets don't know what to do .DUH!!! Send his arse down to the minors.He will regain confidence and relearn his mechanics.Ron Darling mentioned Harvey is holding the ball differently which causes a loss of control.

Too bad about Duda.He'ss take two or three months to get back in good order.
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Post by Dunnzoo Wed May 25, 2016 8:14 am

I found a clip from Bull Durham but can't get it on here... when Meat is on the mound and he says to himself, " Don't think, just throw. Don't think, just throw." I'm going to the games Friday night and Sunday night to celebrate the '86 team. Hope there are no night storms.

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Post by Math23x7 Wed May 25, 2016 9:17 pm

A very, VERY good outing by Steven Matz today!

If you look at our current rotation: Syndergaard: #1 starter, Matz: #2 starter, Colon: #3 starter, deGrom: #4 starter, Harvey: #5 starter.

I never thought I would put #4 and #5 where they are now.

Harvey will make his next scheduled start. I was stunned when I heard this. How far can they go with him before they remove him from the rotation?

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Post by docstox12 Thu May 26, 2016 12:08 pm

Math23x7 wrote:A very, VERY good outing by Steven Matz today!

If you look at our current rotation: Syndergaard: #1 starter, Matz: #2 starter, Colon: #3 starter, deGrom: #4 starter, Harvey: #5 starter.

I never thought I would put #4 and #5 where they are now.

Harvey will make his next scheduled start.  I was stunned when I heard this.  How far can they go with him before they remove him from the rotation?

I think Harvey is getting bad advice from that Boras guy who probably is saying that Harvey's value will go down if he has a stint in the minors.Harvey's obstinancy is just showing more and more what a self centered individual he is.A stint in the minors would help the TEAM, but oh no, Mr.Dark Knight's ego would not allow it.Got news for him.He isn't going to find himself on the mound of the majors right now.Maybe he needs to get his arse kicked a few more times and the management finds the stones to force this guy into the minors.

Anyway, while that drama plays out,your rotation above Mike, will be augmented by Wheeler so the Harvey disaster is not critical.Much more critical is the Lucas Duda injury and who they can get at first to come close to Duda's production.
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