New York City Snowfall Average and Storms
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Math23x7 wrote:Here are the snow totals for Central Park by decade. I decided to do 1870-1879, 1880-89, etc. rather than 1871-1880, 1881-1890, etc.:
1870's: 335.1"
1880's: 324.8"
1890's: 352.3"
1900's: 298.1"
1910's: 305.2"
1920's: 292.0"
1930's: 241.3"
1940's: 326.7"
1950's: 215.3"
1960's: 310.5"
1970's: 222.0"
1980's: 199.4"
1990's: 238.3"
2000's: 292.0"
2010's: 271.8" (through 2/6/16)
Here are the decades re-arranged from highest to lowest in terms of total snow:
1890's: 352.3"
1870's: 335.1"
1940's: 326.7"
1880's: 324.8"
1960's: 310.5"
1910's: 305.2"
1900's: 298.1"
1920's: 292.0"
2000's: 292.0"
2010's: 271.8" (through 2/6/16)
1930's: 241.3"
1990's: 238.3"
1970's: 222.0"
1950's: 215.3"
1980's: 199.4"
God forbid NYC gets no snow between now and the end of December 2019, this will be the 10th snowiest decade out of 15 decades. Also, let's say, God forbid, NYC gets no snow the next three months AND between October-December in 2019. If over the next three winters, NYC averages 21.1" of snow, the 2010s will surpass the 1870s for the snowiest decade on record. While the 1980s was obviously before my time, I think the older folks on this board will bring up how relatively dull that time period was. I'd say outside of the April 6th-7th, 1982 and February 11th-12th, 1983, it was torture for snow lovers.
Great post Mikey
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Math23x7 wrote:Here are the snow totals for Central Park by decade. I decided to do 1870-1879, 1880-89, etc. rather than 1871-1880, 1881-1890, etc.:
1870's: 335.1"
1880's: 324.8"
1890's: 352.3"
1900's: 298.1"
1910's: 305.2"
1920's: 292.0"
1930's: 241.3"
1940's: 326.7"
1950's: 215.3"
1960's: 310.5"
1970's: 222.0"
1980's: 199.4"
1990's: 238.3"
2000's: 292.0"
2010's: 271.8" (through 2/6/16)
Here are the decades re-arranged from highest to lowest in terms of total snow:
1890's: 352.3"
1870's: 335.1"
1940's: 326.7"
1880's: 324.8"
1960's: 310.5"
1910's: 305.2"
1900's: 298.1"
1920's: 292.0"
2000's: 292.0"
2010's: 271.8" (through 2/6/16)
1930's: 241.3"
1990's: 238.3"
1970's: 222.0"
1950's: 215.3"
1980's: 199.4"
God forbid NYC gets no snow between now and the end of December 2019, this will be the 10th snowiest decade out of 15 decades. Also, let's say, God forbid, NYC gets no snow the next three months AND between October-December in 2019. If over the next three winters, NYC averages 21.1" of snow, the 2010s will surpass the 1870s for the snowiest decade on record. While the 1980s was obviously before my time, I think the older folks on this board will bring up how relatively dull that time period was. I'd say outside of the April 6th-7th, 1982 and February 11th-12th, 1983, it was torture for snow lovers.
That's not the periods they use for the 30 year averages Mike but the numbers wouldn't vary by much if you changed them.
30 year averages are calculated from January 1981 through December 2010, January 1971 through December 2000 and so forth and so on. Using the time periods NOAA uses to calculate their 30 year averages ncluding yesterdays 2.5 inches of snow in Central Park, the running 30 year average for CPK is now at 28.6 using the period February 1987 through January 2016, the average since January 1991 is 30.6, and the average since January 2001 is 33.8 inches.
If no snow fell in Central Park for the next 5 years the new 30 year average for January 1991 through December 2020 would be 26.3 inches, that is already higher than the current 30 year average of 25.8 inches and will most likely be in the 30 inch plus range even if we have some down years.
Mike please double check me on this when you get a chance. When I finally got NOAA to correct the 30 year averages for CPK from 25.1 to the proper 25.9 they did finally correct it on their site but put it as 25.8. Remember the average is for January 1981 to December 2010. Let me know if you come up with 25.8 or 25.9.
Thanks
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I know CP. I just put these up so other people would have a better grasp. The time periods I have differ from those that NOAA uses. The 2010's I am referring to runs from January 1st, 2010 to December 31st, 2019. NOAA goes from 1 to 0. Here I am going from 0 to 9.
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Below are the running 30 year averages for snowfall from the 30 year period Jan 1938-Dec 1967 when the average was 28.6 inches and began a steady decline until the tide started to turn during the winter of 93/94 when the averages began to increase. There was a temporary halt to this increase in the late 1990's when the period of 96/97 - 99/2000 saw the worst 4 year snowfall total (a pathetic 42.4 inches) in history. Since the winter of 2000/01 the 30 year average has been on a steady increase. As I've stated earlier this should reach an average over 30 inches within the next couple of years as the snow drought 1980's are dropped from the equation.
The running 30 year snowfall average has not exceeded 30 inches since the jan 1899-Dec 1928 period. From the 1870's through 1928 every period averaged over 30 inches. One might say we're reverting back to a period 100 years ago but the big difference is the winters have become increasingly warmer than they were 100 years ago. Warmer but snowier would appear to be a dichotomy but it's happening before our eyes. An interesting time to follow weather.
Begin End Avg.
Jan-1938 Dec-1967 28.6
Jan-1939 Dec-1968 28.3
Jan-1940 Dec-1969 28.4
Jan-1941 Dec-1970 28.2
Jan-1942 Dec-1971 27.5
Jan-1943 Dec-1972 27.6
Jan-1944 Dec-1973 27.1
Jan-1945 Dec-1974 26.8
Jan-1946 Dec-1975 26.0
Jan-1947 Dec-1976 26.2
Jan-1948 Dec-1977 24.9
Jan-1949 Dec-1978 24.7
Jan-1950 Dec-1979 24.9
Jan-1951 Dec-1980 24.8
Jan-1952 Dec-1981 25.1
Jan-1953 Dec-1982 25.0
Jan-1954 Dec-1983 25.6
Jan-1955 Dec-1984 26.2
Jan-1956 Dec-1985 26.3
Jan-1957 Dec-1986 25.7
Jan-1958 Dec-1987 25.6
Jan-1959 Dec-1988 24.8
Jan-1960 Dec-1989 24.4
Jan-1961 Dec-1990 23.5
Jan-1962 Dec-1991 22.7
Jan-1963 Dec-1992 22.6
Jan-1964 Dec-1993 22.8
Jan-1965 Dec-1994 23.2
Jan-1966 Dec-1995 23.3
Jan-1967 Dec-1996 24.4
Jan-1968 Dec-1997 23.0
Jan-1969 Dec-1998 22.6
Jan-1970 Dec-1999 22.0
Jan-1971 Dec-2000 22.3
Jan-1972 Dec-2001 22.6
Jan-1973 Dec-2002 22.3
Jan-1974 Dec-2003 24.0
Jan-1975 Dec-2004 24.2
Jan-1976 Dec-2005 25.3
Jan-1977 Dec-2006 25.6
Jan-1978 Dec-2007 25.5
Jan-1979 Dec-2008 24.2
Jan-1980 Dec-2009 24.3
Jan-1981 Dec-2010 25.9
Jan-1982 Dec-2011 26.8
Jan-1983 Dec-2012 26.2
Jan-1984 Dec-2013 26.4
Jan-1985 Dec-2014 27.0
Jan-1986 Dec-2015 28.0
Jan-1987 Dec-2016 28.6
I included the 30 year period through December 2016 even though there are still several months to go in that period. Any snowfall from now through December 2016 will increase the 28.6 average.
The running 30 year snowfall average has not exceeded 30 inches since the jan 1899-Dec 1928 period. From the 1870's through 1928 every period averaged over 30 inches. One might say we're reverting back to a period 100 years ago but the big difference is the winters have become increasingly warmer than they were 100 years ago. Warmer but snowier would appear to be a dichotomy but it's happening before our eyes. An interesting time to follow weather.
Begin End Avg.
Jan-1938 Dec-1967 28.6
Jan-1939 Dec-1968 28.3
Jan-1940 Dec-1969 28.4
Jan-1941 Dec-1970 28.2
Jan-1942 Dec-1971 27.5
Jan-1943 Dec-1972 27.6
Jan-1944 Dec-1973 27.1
Jan-1945 Dec-1974 26.8
Jan-1946 Dec-1975 26.0
Jan-1947 Dec-1976 26.2
Jan-1948 Dec-1977 24.9
Jan-1949 Dec-1978 24.7
Jan-1950 Dec-1979 24.9
Jan-1951 Dec-1980 24.8
Jan-1952 Dec-1981 25.1
Jan-1953 Dec-1982 25.0
Jan-1954 Dec-1983 25.6
Jan-1955 Dec-1984 26.2
Jan-1956 Dec-1985 26.3
Jan-1957 Dec-1986 25.7
Jan-1958 Dec-1987 25.6
Jan-1959 Dec-1988 24.8
Jan-1960 Dec-1989 24.4
Jan-1961 Dec-1990 23.5
Jan-1962 Dec-1991 22.7
Jan-1963 Dec-1992 22.6
Jan-1964 Dec-1993 22.8
Jan-1965 Dec-1994 23.2
Jan-1966 Dec-1995 23.3
Jan-1967 Dec-1996 24.4
Jan-1968 Dec-1997 23.0
Jan-1969 Dec-1998 22.6
Jan-1970 Dec-1999 22.0
Jan-1971 Dec-2000 22.3
Jan-1972 Dec-2001 22.6
Jan-1973 Dec-2002 22.3
Jan-1974 Dec-2003 24.0
Jan-1975 Dec-2004 24.2
Jan-1976 Dec-2005 25.3
Jan-1977 Dec-2006 25.6
Jan-1978 Dec-2007 25.5
Jan-1979 Dec-2008 24.2
Jan-1980 Dec-2009 24.3
Jan-1981 Dec-2010 25.9
Jan-1982 Dec-2011 26.8
Jan-1983 Dec-2012 26.2
Jan-1984 Dec-2013 26.4
Jan-1985 Dec-2014 27.0
Jan-1986 Dec-2015 28.0
Jan-1987 Dec-2016 28.6
I included the 30 year period through December 2016 even though there are still several months to go in that period. Any snowfall from now through December 2016 will increase the 28.6 average.
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Examining all this great data put up by Mike and CP, it is very clear the snowiest decades were the 1870,s, 1880,s,1890's, 1910's and 1940's, all ancient NY history.
Yep, those old timers in their 70's and 80's I talked to in the 1950's and 1960's, in their 70's and 80's age wise,were absolutely correct.It DID snow a lot more in the old days.Even this last period we think was so snowy, 2000-2016, pales in comparison.Facts ARE stubborn things,man!
Yep, those old timers in their 70's and 80's I talked to in the 1950's and 1960's, in their 70's and 80's age wise,were absolutely correct.It DID snow a lot more in the old days.Even this last period we think was so snowy, 2000-2016, pales in comparison.Facts ARE stubborn things,man!
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docstox12 wrote:Examining all this great data put up by Mike and CP, it is very clear the snowiest decades were the 1870,s, 1880,s,1890's, 1910's and 1940's, all ancient NY history.
Yep, those old timers in their 70's and 80's I talked to in the 1950's and 1960's, in their 70's and 80's age wise,were absolutely correct.It DID snow a lot more in the old days.Even this last period we think was so snowy, 2000-2016, pales in comparison.Facts ARE stubborn things,man!
You did omit the 1960's Doc, they rank in the top 5 snowiest decades ever. Also the 1960's were a much colder period than we see now. The average December through February temperature in NYC in the 1960's was 32.7, the 1970's 33.8, and then the warm up really began. The worst and most snow starved decade ever the 1980's saw a December through February average of 35.6, the 1990's 35.9.
We seem to have slowed that upward temperature trend in the 2000-2016's. The 2000's was back down a bit to 35.1 but so far the 2010's including this year are a record breaking 36.4. The dichotomy I spoke of occurs in the 2010's where snowfall is near the levels of the late 1800's but with average winter temperatures 4-5 degrees higher on average.
Consider that the average meterological winter (Dec-Feb) in NYC from 1870-1930 saw an average temperature of 32.1 degrees, contrast that to the last 3 decades. Quite a difference for a 3 month average.
Like I said an interesting time to live if you're a weather enthusiast.
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True that on the 60's, CP, but I just picked the top 5.Glad I lived through the 60's, anyway.Big snowstorms I remember were Dec 1960, Jan 1961, Feb 1961, Jan 1964, Jan or feb 1967 and the Lindsay snowstorm Feb 1969.
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Thought I would throw in some stats I picked up from the famous Uncle W today on another forum.
He took the 28 warmest winters in NYC and listed them with snowfall, biggest storms those years and lowest minimum. This season depsite being the second warmest ever has one of the largest seasonal snowfall and the lowest minimum temperature. What are the odds?
Also 12 of the 28 warmest winters have occurred since 1990 which goes hand in hand with what I've been posting this week about how mild our winters, comparatively speaking, have become vs. our recent past.
The 28 winters listed are in the top 20% warmest of all time and most on the list are in the 36.5-37.5 range, again showing how historically warm at 41.0 degrees this winter is.
Also of note my all time worst winter ever 2001/02 had the highest minimum temperature ever of 19 in NYC and almost became the first winter in NYC to not at least get into the teens. That winter ended as the warmest ever with an average of 41.5. This winter which has an average temp of 41.0 and will be the second warmest ever had a low of -1. Another example of just how unique this winter was. Yet I still hate it.
Uncle W's stats below.
...this is a list of the 28 warmest winters in NYC...2015-16 has the coldest minimum...1948-49 has the most snowfall...2015-16 is the third snowiest with the second heaviest snowfall...8 of the 28 winters had a snowstorm 10" or more...14 of 28 had at least a 6" storm...4 of 28 had less than 10" for the season...
winter.....ave temp...min temp...30 day snow...total snow...4" snows or largest snow...
1879-80....38.5............7......................................22.7"
1889-90....37.9............7...............17.0"...............24.3"..........6.0".....6.0".....4.0"
1897-98....36.5............8.................8.9"...............21.1"..........5.0"
1905-06....36.7............7...............11.5"...............20.0"..........6.0".....6.5".....5.0"
1908-09....36.7............5...............11.4"...............20.3"..........5.1".....4.0"
1912-13....37.2..........11...............11.5"...............15.3"........11.4"
1918-19....36.6..........10.................2.7"................3.8"..........1.4"
1931-32....40.1..........15.................2.1"................5.3"...........2.0"
1932-33....37.8..........11...............15.4"...............27.0"..........7.2"...10.0"
1936-37....37.9..........13.................8.8"...............15.6"..........5.7"
1948-49....38.5..........10...............26.8"...............46.6"..........5.3"...16.0".....4.5".....4.6".....9.4"
1949-50....37.5............6.................8.9"...............13.8"..........3.8"
1951-52....37.0............8.................8.6"...............19.7"..........5.8".....4.0"
1952-53....38.1..........12.................7.5"...............15.1"..........4.5"
1953-54....37.4............7...............12.7"...............15.8"..........8.6"
1974-75....37.5..........15...............11.3"...............13.1"..........7.8"
1982-83....37.9..........12...............23.4"...............27.2"........17.6"
1990-91....39.2..........10...............15.6"...............24.9"..........7.2".....5.7".....8.9"
1991-92....37.2..........11.................9.4"...............12.6"..........6.2"
1994-95....37.1............6...............11.6"...............11.8"........10.8"
1996-97....37.8............4.................6.1"...............10.0"..........3.5"
1997-98....39.6..........14.................5.0".................5.5"..........5.0"
1998-99....38.7............9.................6.5"...............12.7"..........4.5"
2001-02....41.5..........19.................3.5".................3.5"..........3.0"
2005-06....37.3..........14...............28.9"...............40.0"..........5.8"...26.9"
2006-07....36.5............8.................7.8"...............12.4"..........5.5"
2011-12....40.5..........13..................4.5"................7.4"..........4.3"
2012-13....36.9..........11...............13.7"...............26.1"........11.4".....4.0"
2015-16....41.0...........-1...............31.2"...............31.2"........26.8"
He took the 28 warmest winters in NYC and listed them with snowfall, biggest storms those years and lowest minimum. This season depsite being the second warmest ever has one of the largest seasonal snowfall and the lowest minimum temperature. What are the odds?
Also 12 of the 28 warmest winters have occurred since 1990 which goes hand in hand with what I've been posting this week about how mild our winters, comparatively speaking, have become vs. our recent past.
The 28 winters listed are in the top 20% warmest of all time and most on the list are in the 36.5-37.5 range, again showing how historically warm at 41.0 degrees this winter is.
Also of note my all time worst winter ever 2001/02 had the highest minimum temperature ever of 19 in NYC and almost became the first winter in NYC to not at least get into the teens. That winter ended as the warmest ever with an average of 41.5. This winter which has an average temp of 41.0 and will be the second warmest ever had a low of -1. Another example of just how unique this winter was. Yet I still hate it.
Uncle W's stats below.
...this is a list of the 28 warmest winters in NYC...2015-16 has the coldest minimum...1948-49 has the most snowfall...2015-16 is the third snowiest with the second heaviest snowfall...8 of the 28 winters had a snowstorm 10" or more...14 of 28 had at least a 6" storm...4 of 28 had less than 10" for the season...
winter.....ave temp...min temp...30 day snow...total snow...4" snows or largest snow...
1879-80....38.5............7......................................22.7"
1889-90....37.9............7...............17.0"...............24.3"..........6.0".....6.0".....4.0"
1897-98....36.5............8.................8.9"...............21.1"..........5.0"
1905-06....36.7............7...............11.5"...............20.0"..........6.0".....6.5".....5.0"
1908-09....36.7............5...............11.4"...............20.3"..........5.1".....4.0"
1912-13....37.2..........11...............11.5"...............15.3"........11.4"
1918-19....36.6..........10.................2.7"................3.8"..........1.4"
1931-32....40.1..........15.................2.1"................5.3"...........2.0"
1932-33....37.8..........11...............15.4"...............27.0"..........7.2"...10.0"
1936-37....37.9..........13.................8.8"...............15.6"..........5.7"
1948-49....38.5..........10...............26.8"...............46.6"..........5.3"...16.0".....4.5".....4.6".....9.4"
1949-50....37.5............6.................8.9"...............13.8"..........3.8"
1951-52....37.0............8.................8.6"...............19.7"..........5.8".....4.0"
1952-53....38.1..........12.................7.5"...............15.1"..........4.5"
1953-54....37.4............7...............12.7"...............15.8"..........8.6"
1974-75....37.5..........15...............11.3"...............13.1"..........7.8"
1982-83....37.9..........12...............23.4"...............27.2"........17.6"
1990-91....39.2..........10...............15.6"...............24.9"..........7.2".....5.7".....8.9"
1991-92....37.2..........11.................9.4"...............12.6"..........6.2"
1994-95....37.1............6...............11.6"...............11.8"........10.8"
1996-97....37.8............4.................6.1"...............10.0"..........3.5"
1997-98....39.6..........14.................5.0".................5.5"..........5.0"
1998-99....38.7............9.................6.5"...............12.7"..........4.5"
2001-02....41.5..........19.................3.5".................3.5"..........3.0"
2005-06....37.3..........14...............28.9"...............40.0"..........5.8"...26.9"
2006-07....36.5............8.................7.8"...............12.4"..........5.5"
2011-12....40.5..........13..................4.5"................7.4"..........4.3"
2012-13....36.9..........11...............13.7"...............26.1"........11.4".....4.0"
2015-16....41.0...........-1...............31.2"...............31.2"........26.8"
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WOW great stats CP from Unc the weaterh historian.
1948-49....38.5..........10...............26.8"...............46.6"..........5.3"...16.0".....4.5".....4.6".....9.4"
1949-50....37.5............6.................8.9"...............13.8"..........3.8"
1951-52....37.0............8.................8.6"...............19.7"..........5.8".....4.0"
1952-53....38.1..........12.................7.5"...............15.1"..........4.5"
1953-54....37.4............7...............12.7"...............15.8"..........8.6"
and this..............
1990-91....39.2..........10...............15.6"...............24.9"..........7.2".....5.7".....8.9"
1991-92....37.2..........11.................9.4"...............12.6"..........6.2"
1994-95....37.1............6...............11.6"...............11.8"........10.8"
1996-97....37.8............4.................6.1"...............10.0"..........3.5"
1997-98....39.6..........14.................5.0".................5.5"..........5.0"
1998-99....38.7............9.................6.5"...............12.7"..........4.5"
Two time periods that were brutal.
Go figure to balance it off 93-94 and 95-96 were awesome winters imby mixed in with 6 years of blah!!
95-96 is KING and will be until we see a repeat in our lifetime, hope so!
1948-49....38.5..........10...............26.8"...............46.6"..........5.3"...16.0".....4.5".....4.6".....9.4"
1949-50....37.5............6.................8.9"...............13.8"..........3.8"
1951-52....37.0............8.................8.6"...............19.7"..........5.8".....4.0"
1952-53....38.1..........12.................7.5"...............15.1"..........4.5"
1953-54....37.4............7...............12.7"...............15.8"..........8.6"
and this..............
1990-91....39.2..........10...............15.6"...............24.9"..........7.2".....5.7".....8.9"
1991-92....37.2..........11.................9.4"...............12.6"..........6.2"
1994-95....37.1............6...............11.6"...............11.8"........10.8"
1996-97....37.8............4.................6.1"...............10.0"..........3.5"
1997-98....39.6..........14.................5.0".................5.5"..........5.0"
1998-99....38.7............9.................6.5"...............12.7"..........4.5"
Two time periods that were brutal.
Go figure to balance it off 93-94 and 95-96 were awesome winters imby mixed in with 6 years of blah!!
95-96 is KING and will be until we see a repeat in our lifetime, hope so!
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amugs wrote:WOW great stats CP from Unc the weaterh historian.
1948-49....38.5..........10...............26.8"...............46.6"..........5.3"...16.0".....4.5".....4.6".....9.4"
1949-50....37.5............6.................8.9"...............13.8"..........3.8"
1951-52....37.0............8.................8.6"...............19.7"..........5.8".....4.0"
1952-53....38.1..........12.................7.5"...............15.1"..........4.5"
1953-54....37.4............7...............12.7"...............15.8"..........8.6"
and this..............
1990-91....39.2..........10...............15.6"...............24.9"..........7.2".....5.7".....8.9"
1991-92....37.2..........11.................9.4"...............12.6"..........6.2"
1994-95....37.1............6...............11.6"...............11.8"........10.8"
1996-97....37.8............4.................6.1"...............10.0"..........3.5"
1997-98....39.6..........14.................5.0".................5.5"..........5.0"
1998-99....38.7............9.................6.5"...............12.7"..........4.5"
Two time periods that were brutal.
Go figure to balance it off 93-94 and 95-96 were awesome winters imby mixed in with 6 years of blah!!
95-96 is KING and will be until we see a repeat in our lifetime, hope so!
Yes, CP's excellent presentation here.
Mugsy, when you think of the 90's. the '95-'96 King Of Winter year tends to make one forget that aside from that year and '93-'94, the 90's really stunk for snow.Those last three years were brutal.That '95-'96 year, everything clicked perfectly except for one stinking situation.I had 36 inches on the level after the Jan. 1996 snowstorm and a few days later, another 8 inches fell but the damn storm turned to friggin' heavy rain.That would have at least been 12 inches or more for 4 feet on the ground!Still, the year was when everything just clicked perfectly with one snow after another.Talk about snowpacks!!!
From my own recollections, the 1960's were great for snow.
March 1960, Dec. 1960, Jan 1961, Feb. 1961, Jan 1964, Feb. 1967 and Feb. 1969 were snowstorms of over 16 inches plus.The 70's, 80's and 90's pale when compared.That 1960 decade can be compared to the last 15 years.
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docstox12 wrote:amugs wrote:WOW great stats CP from Unc the weaterh historian.
1948-49....38.5..........10...............26.8"...............46.6"..........5.3"...16.0".....4.5".....4.6".....9.4"
1949-50....37.5............6.................8.9"...............13.8"..........3.8"
1951-52....37.0............8.................8.6"...............19.7"..........5.8".....4.0"
1952-53....38.1..........12.................7.5"...............15.1"..........4.5"
1953-54....37.4............7...............12.7"...............15.8"..........8.6"
and this..............
1990-91....39.2..........10...............15.6"...............24.9"..........7.2".....5.7".....8.9"
1991-92....37.2..........11.................9.4"...............12.6"..........6.2"
1994-95....37.1............6...............11.6"...............11.8"........10.8"
1996-97....37.8............4.................6.1"...............10.0"..........3.5"
1997-98....39.6..........14.................5.0".................5.5"..........5.0"
1998-99....38.7............9.................6.5"...............12.7"..........4.5"
Two time periods that were brutal.
Go figure to balance it off 93-94 and 95-96 were awesome winters imby mixed in with 6 years of blah!!
95-96 is KING and will be until we see a repeat in our lifetime, hope so!
Yes, CP's excellent presentation here.
Mugsy, when you think of the 90's. the '95-'96 King Of Winter year tends to make one forget that aside from that year and '93-'94, the 90's really stunk for snow.Those last three years were brutal.That '95-'96 year, everything clicked perfectly except for one stinking situation.I had 36 inches on the level after the Jan. 1996 snowstorm and a few days later, another 8 inches fell but the damn storm turned to friggin' heavy rain.That would have at least been 12 inches or more for 4 feet on the ground!Still, the year was when everything just clicked perfectly with one snow after another.Talk about snowpacks!!!
From my own recollections, the 1960's were great for snow.
March 1960, Dec. 1960, Jan 1961, Feb. 1961, Jan 1964, Feb. 1967 and Feb. 1969 were snowstorms of over 16 inches plus.The 70's, 80's and 90's pale when compared.That 1960 decade can be compared to the last 15 years.
The 1960's were the fifth snowiest decade on record the other 4 mostly in the late 1880's and early 1900's. A cold decade too Doc. Average Dec through Feb temps in NYC were 32.6 in the 1960's and even though less snow in the 1970's the average winter temp was 33.7, compare that to this years 41.0. A night and day difference, that's why we skated on the lakes for at least a couple of months straight back then. Now it's a year to year proposition it seems.
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docstox12 wrote:amugs wrote:WOW great stats CP from Unc the weaterh historian.
1948-49....38.5..........10...............26.8"...............46.6"..........5.3"...16.0".....4.5".....4.6".....9.4"
1949-50....37.5............6.................8.9"...............13.8"..........3.8"
1951-52....37.0............8.................8.6"...............19.7"..........5.8".....4.0"
1952-53....38.1..........12.................7.5"...............15.1"..........4.5"
1953-54....37.4............7...............12.7"...............15.8"..........8.6"
and this..............
1990-91....39.2..........10...............15.6"...............24.9"..........7.2".....5.7".....8.9"
1991-92....37.2..........11.................9.4"...............12.6"..........6.2"
1994-95....37.1............6...............11.6"...............11.8"........10.8"
1996-97....37.8............4.................6.1"...............10.0"..........3.5"
1997-98....39.6..........14.................5.0".................5.5"..........5.0"
1998-99....38.7............9.................6.5"...............12.7"..........4.5"
Two time periods that were brutal.
Go figure to balance it off 93-94 and 95-96 were awesome winters imby mixed in with 6 years of blah!!
95-96 is KING and will be until we see a repeat in our lifetime, hope so!
Yes, CP's excellent presentation here.
Mugsy, when you think of the 90's. the '95-'96 King Of Winter year tends to make one forget that aside from that year and '93-'94, the 90's really stunk for snow.Those last three years were brutal.That '95-'96 year, everything clicked perfectly except for one stinking situation.I had 36 inches on the level after the Jan. 1996 snowstorm and a few days later, another 8 inches fell but the damn storm turned to friggin' heavy rain.That would have at least been 12 inches or more for 4 feet on the ground!Still, the year was when everything just clicked perfectly with one snow after another.Talk about snowpacks!!!
From my own recollections, the 1960's were great for snow.
March 1960, Dec. 1960, Jan 1961, Feb. 1961, Jan 1964, Feb. 1967 and Feb. 1969 were snowstorms of over 16 inches plus.The 70's, 80's and 90's pale when compared.That 1960 decade can be compared to the last 15 years.
Yes indeed Doc and it is what I discussed in my banter thread post from yesterday about the ebb and flow of teh cycle we are in between the glacial extent and contraction period from what I have been reading about - quite fascinating. Could be a roller coaster until one day teh PV explodes and we have teh ring of fire implode and then we'll be living on OTI and saying a prayer our buts can survive! See one issue we do have going back in times of temp is that until the 50's the city was a decently rural city with many farms and woodlands and teh surrounding was very rural in comparison to todays urban heat concrete furnace. We wold need an expert on this thermodynamics of materials to give us some insight as to how much this has played in the increase of temps possibly in this area. it is a known and scientific fact that these materials hold the heat in among st the myriad of utilities that run underground as well as above ground that add to the heat from this.
Anyway great presentation CP and lets hope we can somehow reverse this trend.
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CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:docstox12 wrote:amugs wrote:WOW great stats CP from Unc the weaterh historian.
1948-49....38.5..........10...............26.8"...............46.6"..........5.3"...16.0".....4.5".....4.6".....9.4"
1949-50....37.5............6.................8.9"...............13.8"..........3.8"
1951-52....37.0............8.................8.6"...............19.7"..........5.8".....4.0"
1952-53....38.1..........12.................7.5"...............15.1"..........4.5"
1953-54....37.4............7...............12.7"...............15.8"..........8.6"
and this..............
1990-91....39.2..........10...............15.6"...............24.9"..........7.2".....5.7".....8.9"
1991-92....37.2..........11.................9.4"...............12.6"..........6.2"
1994-95....37.1............6...............11.6"...............11.8"........10.8"
1996-97....37.8............4.................6.1"...............10.0"..........3.5"
1997-98....39.6..........14.................5.0".................5.5"..........5.0"
1998-99....38.7............9.................6.5"...............12.7"..........4.5"
Two time periods that were brutal.
Go figure to balance it off 93-94 and 95-96 were awesome winters imby mixed in with 6 years of blah!!
95-96 is KING and will be until we see a repeat in our lifetime, hope so!
Yes, CP's excellent presentation here.
Mugsy, when you think of the 90's. the '95-'96 King Of Winter year tends to make one forget that aside from that year and '93-'94, the 90's really stunk for snow.Those last three years were brutal.That '95-'96 year, everything clicked perfectly except for one stinking situation.I had 36 inches on the level after the Jan. 1996 snowstorm and a few days later, another 8 inches fell but the damn storm turned to friggin' heavy rain.That would have at least been 12 inches or more for 4 feet on the ground!Still, the year was when everything just clicked perfectly with one snow after another.Talk about snowpacks!!!
From my own recollections, the 1960's were great for snow.
March 1960, Dec. 1960, Jan 1961, Feb. 1961, Jan 1964, Feb. 1967 and Feb. 1969 were snowstorms of over 16 inches plus.The 70's, 80's and 90's pale when compared.That 1960 decade can be compared to the last 15 years.
The 1960's were the fifth snowiest decade on record the other 4 mostly in the late 1880's and early 1900's. A cold decade too Doc. Average Dec through Feb temps in NYC were 32.6 in the 1960's and even though less snow in the 1970's the average winter temp was 33.7, compare that to this years 41.0. A night and day difference, that's why we skated on the lakes for at least a couple of months straight back then. Now it's a year to year proposition it seems.
CP I remember a subfreezing stretch of 15 days or so from mid January 1961 to early February.That 1960-1961 winter had wicked cold PLUS three major snowstorms, 20 inches in Dec, 16 inches in Jan 1961 and 22 or 24 inches in Feb.The best winter for me until 1995-1996 for sure.So glad I was 10 years old starting in 1960 to appreciate that decade.
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amugs wrote:docstox12 wrote:amugs wrote:WOW great stats CP from Unc the weaterh historian.
1948-49....38.5..........10...............26.8"...............46.6"..........5.3"...16.0".....4.5".....4.6".....9.4"
1949-50....37.5............6.................8.9"...............13.8"..........3.8"
1951-52....37.0............8.................8.6"...............19.7"..........5.8".....4.0"
1952-53....38.1..........12.................7.5"...............15.1"..........4.5"
1953-54....37.4............7...............12.7"...............15.8"..........8.6"
and this..............
1990-91....39.2..........10...............15.6"...............24.9"..........7.2".....5.7".....8.9"
1991-92....37.2..........11.................9.4"...............12.6"..........6.2"
1994-95....37.1............6...............11.6"...............11.8"........10.8"
1996-97....37.8............4.................6.1"...............10.0"..........3.5"
1997-98....39.6..........14.................5.0".................5.5"..........5.0"
1998-99....38.7............9.................6.5"...............12.7"..........4.5"
Two time periods that were brutal.
Go figure to balance it off 93-94 and 95-96 were awesome winters imby mixed in with 6 years of blah!!
95-96 is KING and will be until we see a repeat in our lifetime, hope so!
Yes, CP's excellent presentation here.
Mugsy, when you think of the 90's. the '95-'96 King Of Winter year tends to make one forget that aside from that year and '93-'94, the 90's really stunk for snow.Those last three years were brutal.That '95-'96 year, everything clicked perfectly except for one stinking situation.I had 36 inches on the level after the Jan. 1996 snowstorm and a few days later, another 8 inches fell but the damn storm turned to friggin' heavy rain.That would have at least been 12 inches or more for 4 feet on the ground!Still, the year was when everything just clicked perfectly with one snow after another.Talk about snowpacks!!!
From my own recollections, the 1960's were great for snow.
March 1960, Dec. 1960, Jan 1961, Feb. 1961, Jan 1964, Feb. 1967 and Feb. 1969 were snowstorms of over 16 inches plus.The 70's, 80's and 90's pale when compared.That 1960 decade can be compared to the last 15 years.
Yes indeed Doc and it is what I discussed in my banter thread post from yesterday about the ebb and flow of teh cycle we are in between the glacial extent and contraction period from what I have been reading about - quite fascinating. Could be a roller coaster until one day teh PV explodes and we have teh ring of fire implode and then we'll be living on OTI and saying a prayer our buts can survive! See one issue we do have going back in times of temp is that until the 50's the city was a decently rural city with many farms and woodlands and teh surrounding was very rural in comparison to todays urban heat concrete furnace. We wold need an expert on this thermodynamics of materials to give us some insight as to how much this has played in the increase of temps possibly in this area. it is a known and scientific fact that these materials hold the heat in among st the myriad of utilities that run underground as well as above ground that add to the heat from this.
Anyway great presentation CP and lets hope we can somehow reverse this trend.
Finally, an explanation why all the major snowstorms have been going S and E.They are seeking that warm City and LI air to feed on,LOL!
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Doc, you have an incredible memory. Since I was born in 61 I have no memory of it but I do have the stats from Poughkeepsie which is the most reliable and oldest HV reporting station for temperature at least, recording snow they are actually worse than the zookeeper.
During the stretch you speak of in January 1961 the HV recorded numerous double digit sub zeros that month but there was one stretch of like 6 days in a row culminating in an all time recording breaking HV low of -30 one morning. It was said by many although I've never verified it, that gunshot sounds were heard throughout the night which they later found out was the sap freezing in many of the maple trees expanding inside the trees and bursting.
Makes even what we had in January 94 when I recorded -23 and Poughkeepsie -22 pale in comparison.
amugs wrote:WOW great stats CP from Unc the weaterh historian.
CP I remember a subfreezing stretch of 15 days or so from mid January 1961 to early February.That 1960-1961 winter had wicked cold PLUS three major snowstorms, 20 inches in Dec, 16 inches in Jan 1961 and 22 or 24 inches in Feb.The best winter for me until 1995-1996 for sure.So glad I was 10 years old starting in 1960 to appreciate that decade.
Doc, you have an incredible memory. Since I was born in 61 I have no memory of it but I do have the stats from Poughkeepsie which is the most reliable and oldest HV reporting station for temperature at least, recording snow they are actually worse than the zookeeper.
During the stretch you speak of in January 1961 the HV recorded numerous double digit sub zeros that month but there was one stretch of like 6 days in a row culminating in an all time recording breaking HV low of -30 one morning. It was said by many although I've never verified it, that gunshot sounds were heard throughout the night which they later found out was the sap freezing in many of the maple trees expanding inside the trees and bursting.
Makes even what we had in January 94 when I recorded -23 and Poughkeepsie -22 pale in comparison.
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CP, in life you remember all the things you love and that Blizzard of Dec 1960 started a lifelong love affair with major winter snowstorms in our area.I can still see the first flake of that storm falling observing out my Sisiter's bedroom window that day.The addiction is so rampant that here I am, a 65 year old man reminiscing about things that happened 55 years ago,LOL!
You verify with your excellent data as usual, the extreme cold period of that Jan 1961 to Feb 1961 subfreezing stretch.
You verify with your excellent data as usual, the extreme cold period of that Jan 1961 to Feb 1961 subfreezing stretch.
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Growing up as a kid..about mid 80s and the 90s, that how I've based my expectations of an avg winter. I just came to accept NYC is not a snowy place. It can snow alot but more often than not it won't, and all snow events are rare. A persistent snowpack not common either. Only snow day of my life was in 96. It was like winning the lotto that day.
Then the 2000s came and we had 4 straight 40"+ winters when there was never more than 2 straight in history before that. Then a few more, and double digit snowfalls were happening with semi regularity. All snow events without rain/mix can happen frequently down to the city/coast after all.
Ill take the more recent winter patterns even if mild winters are the price. End of the day i want the snow, so sunny days in the 20s dont mean too much.
It's really true what you grew up with shapes your expectations now. I used to say way back if i could get a 96 type storm again i wont complain, i ended up with a few...but now we almost come to expect it.
Then the 2000s came and we had 4 straight 40"+ winters when there was never more than 2 straight in history before that. Then a few more, and double digit snowfalls were happening with semi regularity. All snow events without rain/mix can happen frequently down to the city/coast after all.
Ill take the more recent winter patterns even if mild winters are the price. End of the day i want the snow, so sunny days in the 20s dont mean too much.
It's really true what you grew up with shapes your expectations now. I used to say way back if i could get a 96 type storm again i wont complain, i ended up with a few...but now we almost come to expect it.
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Thought I would throw this in here as an oddity I saw in the temperature records today.
The average temperature in NYC on Febraury 28th is 38 degrees and on Febraury 29th it is 33 degrees. On March first it's back to 38 degrees.
So every four years on leap year that one day averages 5 degrees colder than the day before or after. Nothing more than the luck of the draw I know but it still is odd. Looks like this year will raise that February 29th average quite a bit.
The average temperature in NYC on Febraury 28th is 38 degrees and on Febraury 29th it is 33 degrees. On March first it's back to 38 degrees.
So every four years on leap year that one day averages 5 degrees colder than the day before or after. Nothing more than the luck of the draw I know but it still is odd. Looks like this year will raise that February 29th average quite a bit.
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I did a quick search for leap years on a site called http://ggweather.com/enso/oni.htm. It breaks down the El Ninos and La Ninas by year. I compared the leap year stats with Unc's stats. While it's apparent that winters are trending warmers, especially over the last 20 years or so, leap years over those same 20 years have almost exclusively been La Nina years with the exception of 2015-16 and 2003-4 which was listed as a year in which neither took place.
Would the combination of warmer winters and the recent trend of La Nina/leap year co-occurrences skew the data excessively in favor of bigger temperature differences as opposed to non-leap years? I'm not wording this exactly the way I want to but I don't know the statistical terms to explain sufficiently.
Would the combination of warmer winters and the recent trend of La Nina/leap year co-occurrences skew the data excessively in favor of bigger temperature differences as opposed to non-leap years? I'm not wording this exactly the way I want to but I don't know the statistical terms to explain sufficiently.
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TheAresian wrote:I did a quick search for leap years on a site called http://ggweather.com/enso/oni.htm. It breaks down the El Ninos and La Ninas by year. I compared the leap year stats with Unc's stats. While it's apparent that winters are trending warmers, especially over the last 20 years or so, leap years over those same 20 years have almost exclusively been La Nina years with the exception of 2015-16 and 2003-4 which was listed as a year in which neither took place.
Would the combination of warmer winters and the recent trend of La Nina/leap year co-occurrences skew the data excessively in favor of bigger temperature differences as opposed to non-leap years? I'm not wording this exactly the way I want to but I don't know the statistical terms to explain sufficiently.
Interesting Aresian. I'm not exactly sure how Lanina years play out temperature wise if I'm not mistaken they are usually colder so if that's the case that would probably explain it. It's odd that every leap year till this one has been coming up a Lanina. Just an odd coincidence I Suppose.
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http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climate-weather/photos/6-snowstorms-that-crippled-the-east-coast/great-snow-of-1717
I never knew about this period of time from late Feb -early March 1717, when there was already 5 feet of snow on the ground and an ADDITIONAL 3 to 4 feet fell on top of that in four storms in a row.This episode makes the Blizzard of 1888 look like a snow flurry in comparison!!!
I never knew about this period of time from late Feb -early March 1717, when there was already 5 feet of snow on the ground and an ADDITIONAL 3 to 4 feet fell on top of that in four storms in a row.This episode makes the Blizzard of 1888 look like a snow flurry in comparison!!!
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docstox12 wrote:http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climate-weather/photos/6-snowstorms-that-crippled-the-east-coast/great-snow-of-1717
I never knew about this period of time from late Feb -early March 1717, when there was already 5 feet of snow on the ground and an ADDITIONAL 3 to 4 feet fell on top of that in four storms in a row.This episode makes the Blizzard of 1888 look like a snow flurry in comparison!!!
I've heard about this Doc but I never saw the details.
Even I would cry uncle at the end of this thing. I couldn't imagine what it would do to our area now, with so many people around and so many roads to clear, with almost 100 inches of snow on the ground, remarkable.
That winter would be the complete opposite of the winter of 2001/02.
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The second warmest MET winter ever for NYC ends with a ridiculous average temperature of 41.1.
This season becomes only the tenth winter ever above 38, the fourth winter ever above 40, and the second ever above 41. We just missed setting the all time record of 41.5 in 2001/02.
3 of the 4 winters that have ended above 40 have all happened since 2001/02.
Winters with averages above 38 were extremely rare until the 1990's, only 5 happened in the first 120 years of records.
This season becomes only the tenth winter ever above 38, the fourth winter ever above 40, and the second ever above 41. We just missed setting the all time record of 41.5 in 2001/02.
3 of the 4 winters that have ended above 40 have all happened since 2001/02.
Winters with averages above 38 were extremely rare until the 1990's, only 5 happened in the first 120 years of records.
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CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:The second warmest MET winter ever for NYC ends with a ridiculous average temperature of 41.1.
This season becomes only the tenth winter ever above 38, the fourth winter ever above 40, and the second ever above 41. We just missed setting the all time record of 41.5 in 2001/02.
3 of the 4 winters that have ended above 40 have all happened since 2001/02.
Winters with averages above 38 were extremely rare until the 1990's, only 5 happened in the first 120 years of records.
Many records set for met winter. It was mild but didn't seem like one of the mildest ever, but that Dec pushed the avgs so high it'd take a very cold Jan/Feb to get us back to normal.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/warmest-wettest-winter-2015-2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/03/01/february-was-earths-warmest-month-in-satellite-record/
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Dtone wrote:CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:The second warmest MET winter ever for NYC ends with a ridiculous average temperature of 41.1.
This season becomes only the tenth winter ever above 38, the fourth winter ever above 40, and the second ever above 41. We just missed setting the all time record of 41.5 in 2001/02.
3 of the 4 winters that have ended above 40 have all happened since 2001/02.
Winters with averages above 38 were extremely rare until the 1990's, only 5 happened in the first 120 years of records.
Many records set for met winter. It was mild but didn't seem like one of the mildest ever, but that Dec pushed the avgs so high it'd take a very cold Jan/Feb to get us back to normal.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/warmest-wettest-winter-2015-2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/03/01/february-was-earths-warmest-month-in-satellite-record/
True to a degree Dtone. Decembers temperatures which were 13.3 degrees above normal and were more indicative of the average April around here did skew things a bit. However January ended up 1.9 degrees above normal and Febraury 2.4 degrees above normal and over a 30 day period that's fairly significant. Also consider the entire MET winter saw only 20 out of 91 days below normal.
A crappy winter no matter how you measure it despite one great blizzard and a four day cold snap. IMO the only two things that make this winter a low C High D in NYC.
I'm still annoyed at you for giving this winter a B.
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Re: New York City Snowfall Average and Storms
CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:Dtone wrote:CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:The second warmest MET winter ever for NYC ends with a ridiculous average temperature of 41.1.
This season becomes only the tenth winter ever above 38, the fourth winter ever above 40, and the second ever above 41. We just missed setting the all time record of 41.5 in 2001/02.
3 of the 4 winters that have ended above 40 have all happened since 2001/02.
Winters with averages above 38 were extremely rare until the 1990's, only 5 happened in the first 120 years of records.
Many records set for met winter. It was mild but didn't seem like one of the mildest ever, but that Dec pushed the avgs so high it'd take a very cold Jan/Feb to get us back to normal.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/warmest-wettest-winter-2015-2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/03/01/february-was-earths-warmest-month-in-satellite-record/
True to a degree Dtone. Decembers temperatures which were 13.3 degrees above normal and were more indicative of the average April around here did skew things a bit. However January ended up 1.9 degrees above normal and Febraury 2.4 degrees above normal and over a 30 day period that's fairly significant. Also consider the entire MET winter saw only 20 out of 91 days below normal.
A crappy winter no matter how you measure it despite one great blizzard and a four day cold snap. IMO the only two things that make this winter a low C High D in NYC.
I'm still annoyed at you for giving this winter a B.
lol...well It was quite a blizzard. No dry slot, several uninterrupted hours of intense snowfall rates 2"+/hr. I went out during the height of it, that's an experience i won't forget. Other blizzards had less snow over more time. This one was all within 24 hrs, which set the 24 hr snowfall record. No guarantee I'll come across that again.
The forecasting drama leading up to it made it more rewarding too.
I'd say B- if I could.
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