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Post by oldtimer Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:14 pm

Yes Scroc I'm in with 9" I like to see the guys in HV get some action!!



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Post by Guest Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:15 pm

How can a trained spotter report 5 inches of snow in my town to the NWS as of 10:30 am when I measured almost 11" at noon. Just look at the picture I posted from 11:30. I repeat again what the hell does the NWS exist for????.

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Post by Guest Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:18 pm

The Hudson valley guys will get more snow than us Long Island folks by the time it is all said and done this winter. GUARANTEED!! I just spoke to my parents up in Ulster county NY in the Catskills. I told them we got almost a foot and they didn't believe me. They didn't even see a flake. It was sunny most of the morning. This year they've seen 11" total while here I am sitting at 38"

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:23 pm

syosnow94 wrote:How can a trained spotter report 5 inches of snow in my town to the NWS as of 10:30 am when I measured almost 11" at noon.  Just look at the picture I posted from 11:30. I repeat again what the hell does the NWS exist for????.

Maybe he was under a 5 inch per hour micro band from 10:30-12:00 and his next report he'll catch up to you.

I've asked the same question about the NWS and they way they measure snow for 30 something years.
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Post by Guest Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:25 pm

The 2 towns on either side of me both reported 11 and 10 respectively. It's insane. What is central parks official measurement anyway?

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Post by Frank_Wx Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:26 pm

Great job of posting a picture James. Proud of you.

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:27 pm

syosnow94 wrote:The 2 towns on either side of me both reported 11 and 10 respectively. It's insane. What is central parks official measurement anyway?

2.5 inches as of 1pm. I did a short write up in the Conservancy thread. ridiculous.
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Post by tigernumba1 Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:33 pm

10" total here. Suddenly I'm well over season average snowfall!
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Post by docstox12 Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:36 pm

syosnow94 wrote:How can a trained spotter report 5 inches of snow in my town to the NWS as of 10:30 am when I measured almost 11" at noon.  Just look at the picture I posted from 11:30. I repeat again what the hell does the NWS exist for????.

Your picture is absolute proof Jimmy you are spot on with your measurement.
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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:37 pm

@tigernumba1 wrote:10" total here.  Suddenly I'm well over season average snowfall!

I think it's time for everyone from NYC on east to start updating those seasonal averages. They still include the most snowless decade ever the 1980's. In 5 years when the new 30 year averages are calculated you will all be in the 30-40 inch range.

It actually annoys me when I see TWC and other area Mets post the NYC average as 25.1. The 30 year average 1981-2010 is actually 25.8 and was corrected by NOAA in 2014 when someone pointed out to them that they couldn't add and divide. Yes I take full credit.


The running 30 year average for CPK is now 28.6, the average since 1991 is 30.6, and the average since 2001 is 33.8 inches. A pretty remarkable rise when also considering the many under measurements in Central Park during that time frame.
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Post by Guest Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:38 pm

If I don't see another flake this winter I will finish with 38". With how warm it's been I can't even believe that I'm typing that number down...................who am I kidding. I want more!!!!!!!!

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Post by Guest Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:40 pm

Thanks Doc. The funny thing is it's not rocket science. You find a cold surface and measure a few different spots with a ruler. Or in my case a yardstick. How could someone who breathes oxygen possibly screw up something as easy as measuring snow?

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Post by yorkseer Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:44 pm

Looks like the snow is tapering down in East Hampton. Measured 7.2" at 2:15 PM. Power surges and still unplowed roads.

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Post by skinsfan1177 Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:51 pm

NOAA official measurement for me was 6 i,chez I'll take it that approx 32" so far.
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Post by tigernumba1 Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:53 pm

@CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
@tigernumba1 wrote:10" total here.  Suddenly I'm well over season average snowfall!

I think it's time for everyone from NYC on east to start updating those seasonal averages. They still include the most snowless decade ever the 1980's. In 5 years when the new 30 year averages are calculated you will all be in the 30-40 inch range.

It actually annoys me when I see TWC and other area Mets post the NYC average as 25.1. The 30 year average 1981-2010 is actually 25.8 and was corrected by NOAA in 2014 when someone pointed out to them that they couldn't add and divide. Yes I take full credit.


The running 30 year average for CPK is now 28.6, the average since 1991 is 30.6, and the average since 2001 is 33.8 inches. A pretty remarkable rise when also considering the many under measurements in Central Park during that time frame.

Wow, I didn't know that! That's incredible how much the average has risen. Well, in that case I'm just a little over season average. Hoping for more ahead! I truly hope you can cash in on a big one in the near future CP, there's nothing better than a large snowstorm!
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Post by Dtone Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:56 pm

@CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
@tigernumba1 wrote:10" total here.  Suddenly I'm well over season average snowfall!

I think it's time for everyone from NYC on east to start updating those seasonal averages. They still include the most snowless decade ever the 1980's. In 5 years when the new 30 year averages are calculated you will all be in the 30-40 inch range.

It actually annoys me when I see TWC and other area Mets post the NYC average as 25.1. The 30 year average 1981-2010 is actually 25.8 and was corrected by NOAA in 2014 when someone pointed out to them that they couldn't add and divide. Yes I take full credit.


The running 30 year average for CPK is now 28.6, the average since 1991 is 30.6, and the average since 2001 is 33.8 inches. A pretty remarkable rise when also considering the many under measurements in Central Park during that time frame.

30"+ avg winter snowfall (if it holds up) in NYC is remarkable. Its a new era.

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:33 pm

@Dtone wrote:
@CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
@tigernumba1 wrote:10" total here.  Suddenly I'm well over season average snowfall!

I think it's time for everyone from NYC on east to start updating those seasonal averages. They still include the most snowless decade ever the 1980's. In 5 years when the new 30 year averages are calculated you will all be in the 30-40 inch range.

It actually annoys me when I see TWC and other area Mets post the NYC average as 25.1. The 30 year average 1981-2010 is actually 25.8 and was corrected by NOAA in 2014 when someone pointed out to them that they couldn't add and divide. Yes I take full credit.


The running 30 year average for CPK is now 28.6, the average since 1991 is 30.6, and the average since 2001 is 33.8 inches. A pretty remarkable rise when also considering the many under measurements in Central Park during that time frame.

30"+ avg winter snowfall (if it holds up)  in NYC is remarkable. Its a new era.

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If it somehow doesn't snow in New York City between now and December 2020, God forbid it's never happened in one season I couldn't imagine it happening for five years, the 30 year average calculated between January 1991 and December 2020 would be 26.3 inches. That's already a half an inch greater than the current 30 year average calculated from January 1981 through December 2010 which is 25.8 inches. I'm not going to say the 30 plus inch average is guaranteed but if we can avoid a four-year stretch like the late 90s it's a lock.
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Post by sroc4 Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:37 pm

does anyone know how to upload a video from my IPhone??

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Post by docstox12 Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:43 pm

That four year late 90's bust was something that was quite common in the 60's, 70's and 80's.In the last 16 years, I think there were only a couple of single year busts in there.

I remember 30,40,50 plus years ago always listening to old timers bragging about "winters that always had much more snow, etc etc!" Now if I live long enough and this snowy trend continues I will be saying to the youngsters, "Yeah, I remember winters with a lot LESS snow!".LOL!

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Post by Guest Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:58 pm

Sroc4. If you figure it out let me know how because I have a 30 second clip from Jonas 2 weeks ago of 3" an hour snow that is breathtaking!!

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Post by Taffy Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:00 pm

[quote="syosnow94"]Thanks Doc. The funny thing is it's not rocket science. You find a cold surface and measure a few different spots with a ruler. Or in my case a yardstick.[font=Impact] How could someone who breathes oxygen possibly screw up something as easy as measuring snow?[/font][/quote]
 
Syo, it's obvious that you and I have never met!  Razz   I am also grateful that CP doesn't live close to me. I'd hate to have him double checking my measurements!
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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:16 pm

@docstox12 wrote:That four year late 90's bust was something that was quite common in the 60's, 70's and 80's.In the last 16 years, I think there were only a couple of single year busts in there.

I remember 30,40,50 plus years ago always listening to old timers bragging about "winters that always had much more snow, etc etc!" Now if I live long enough and this snowy trend continues I will be saying to the youngsters, "Yeah, I remember winters with a lot LESS snow!".LOL!


80's yes, 60's and 70's not so much. The 1960's and 70's were consistently cold winters with a moderate amount of snow and several really good years snow wise, okay we had 72/73 but never a four year stretch like the late 90's.

The 1980's as I have mentioned many times is the most snow less decade in our history and many of those winters were mild on top of snow less.

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Post by sroc4 Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:21 pm

@oldtimer wrote:Yes Scroc  I'm in with 9"  I like to see the guys in HV get some action!!



I hear you old timer. Those HV and EPA guys and gals have been patiently waiting for theirs. Well mostly patiently waiting. They def deserve it.

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Post by amugs Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:04 pm

WOW what a great little storm this baby pooped out of no where - well it was tehre just lost once again on teh models. 4" everyone excepts Frank and Sroc had me at 1-3 slushy inches - this can't be father from the truth - some areas around me measure 4.5 and 5".

Great job Tom and Scott and happy for the LI crew here once again - Nice Job Syo on the pictures

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Post by SNOW MAN Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:33 pm

I just want to say to Frank, Sroc, Oldtimer, Cp and Doc. Thanks for not forgetting us EPA people. Come on guys I need you to use your weather magic to muster a BIG snowfall for all us who are in a snow deficit this season. That includes the people in the HV who haven't seen a flake yet.
   We need your help desperately to try and get us some of that white gold. I'm hoping that next week things will work out for our areas, but it seems like all the local Mets in my area are writing the next up coming events as just some snow showers. We shall see. Thanks again for not forgetting us and we all appreciate your hard work in forecasting these very unpredictable storms. You guys are the best !
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