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Post by Frank_Wx Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:45 pm

Just measured 5 inches in Cranford

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Post by devsman Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:04 pm

Still snowing strong here on strong Island...what what?!!
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Post by nutleyblizzard Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:21 pm

Final measurement 4.5 inches in Nutley.
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Post by hyde345 Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:35 pm

Got 1 inch in Hyde Park, lol. Glad so many people did well with this storm.
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Post by Guest Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:39 pm

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Just came back in. Snow was so light and fluffy that me and my kid did 7 houses in 45 minutes with the snow blower. 11" final call here. Great event Thanks for all the work on the forum by some great people. savior savior

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Post by Guest Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:40 pm

....by the way. The cape has to be over 24" They've been getting 2-3" per hour since 3 p.m.!!!

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:39 pm

@Frank_Wx wrote:
@Math23x7 wrote:CALLING CP! CALLING CP!!!  Emergency.  As of 4 PM, CPK had measured 4.3" of snow.  As of 7 PM, they have 5.0", just 0.7" more than three hours earlier.  In that time span, 0.11" qpf fell.  In that same span, LGA had 1.7", EWR had 1.5" and JFK had 1.9". But only 0.7" for CPK with this kind of ratio?????????

Crap, CP will not let this pass. Email coming.

Unfreakin believable. The biggest city in the US still can't get proper measurements at their main reporting station.

Thanks Mike, I did see this on the NWS site when I got home tonight and a minute later I saw your message.

The e-mail has already been sent Frank, but as always if they do change it, it will be long after the whole world believes NYC received 5.0 inches of snow when in reality its 6-7 inches.

This isn't rocket science, but they make it more complicated then quantum physics.

One of these days I'm just going to give up.
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Post by mako460 Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:09 am

one more day in the freezer and then back to 50 degrees and raining by tuesday. At least we had this surprise, got 6.3 inches in brooklyn!

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Post by jrollins628 Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:16 am

Did anyone see the CMC for next week??? this may not be all she wrote lol im joking because I know it will be gone tomorrow and the GFS has an ice storm in the mid section of the country so therefore the models still dont have a clue lol so lets just bask in this event

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:58 am

2.5 inches here bringing the seasonal to an even 18.0 just about on par for normal YTD so far.
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Post by NjWeatherGuy Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:02 am

About 2"-2.5 here, could have been much more but hours of virga killed it and was just on that killer gradient. Weird situation of west, east, back west, back east, then back west at the very last second, not very well modeled but didnt make a huge difference away from the coast. This winter isnt going well so far and the future doesnt look very promising. I've been watching the models and it's a frusturating pattern... End slightly OT rant but I'm getting fed up. Hence why I havent been here, not much to talk about..m
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Post by Math23x7 Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:13 am

6.8" Bellerose, NY

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Post by docstox12 Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:27 am

3.9 degrees.Coldest morning of the winter, 84%, 29.91F

Final snow total for the storm was 2.5 inches.Very happy with that as I felt we would bust up here.Glad for the shore and Island guys and gals, it was a nice event for them.
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Post by docstox12 Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:31 am

syosnow94 wrote:January 7, 2017 Storm Observations  - Page 23 Fullsi11

Just came back in.  Snow was so light and fluffy that me and my kid did 7 houses in 45 minutes with the snow blower.  11" final call here.  Great event  Thanks for all the work on the forum by some great people.   savior  savior

Magnificent picture Jimmy!
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Post by docstox12 Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:35 am

@CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
@Frank_Wx wrote:
@Math23x7 wrote:CALLING CP! CALLING CP!!!  Emergency.  As of 4 PM, CPK had measured 4.3" of snow.  As of 7 PM, they have 5.0", just 0.7" more than three hours earlier.  In that time span, 0.11" qpf fell.  In that same span, LGA had 1.7", EWR had 1.5" and JFK had 1.9". But only 0.7" for CPK with this kind of ratio?????????

Crap, CP will not let this pass. Email coming.

Unfreakin believable. The biggest city in the US still can't get proper measurements at their main reporting station.

Thanks Mike, I did see this on the NWS site when I got home tonight and a minute later I saw your message.

The e-mail has already been sent Frank, but as always if they do change it, it will be long after the whole world believes NYC received 5.0 inches of snow when in reality its 6-7 inches.

This isn't rocket science, but they make it more complicated then quantum physics.

One of these days I'm just going to give up.

It really is a shame that New York City has such sloppy recordkeeping.I know Mike and You are NEVER gonna let them get away with this crap.Where do you find the e mail address because I'm going to send one too.Let's get as many board members as possible to back you up on this.I know this is weather banter but I had to vent myself.
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Post by Grselig Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:00 am

about 2" in Wayne. I hate it when it NWS is correct, but congrats to those who busted high! 16 degrees and at least the snow is light to shovel. My little guy wants to help. Better dress warm!
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Post by sroc4 Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:14 am

Good morning all.  So friday night I went out to celebrate my buddies 40th B-Day; however, instead of celebrating "like" we were 40 we decided to celebrate "like" we were 20 instead.  The result of this was a day yesterday practically useless with occasional praying to the porcelain God.  Ugg I'm still not 100%.  I digress.

This ended up a great storm for LI.  I ended with 10.4" as my avg total.  Flurries started about 10;30am, but steady snow started for me around 11am.  I went out about 7pm last night and measured 9".  I averaged over 1" per hour rates throughout that time.  That said the first 2 hrs of snow were light.  There were def periods throughout the day where I was seeing 2-3"/hr rates.   Very fun to watch.  It came to a close about 10-10:30pm where I picked up that additional 1.4".  Great storm for us given the model mayhem; however, it could have been sooo much better.  There were 2-4"/hr rates sitting just off the LI coast all day and did not seem to move.  Measuring the distance they were only 25-50miles away.  I would like to see totals for the eastern most portions of the south fork of LI.  Some of these bands did sit over them for several hrs.  I bet there are greater than 12" amts out there.  That close to Roidzilla.  I am not complaining however.

Here are some other totals reported for the region.  A trained spotter within a mile of me measured 10.1" in E Shoreham so I feel good about my total.  http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=OKX&product=PNS&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

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Post by Dtone Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:09 am

@docstox12 wrote:
@CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
@Frank_Wx wrote:
@Math23x7 wrote:CALLING CP! CALLING CP!!!  Emergency.  As of 4 PM, CPK had measured 4.3" of snow.  As of 7 PM, they have 5.0", just 0.7" more than three hours earlier.  In that time span, 0.11" qpf fell.  In that same span, LGA had 1.7", EWR had 1.5" and JFK had 1.9". But only 0.7" for CPK with this kind of ratio?????????

Crap, CP will not let this pass. Email coming.

Unfreakin believable. The biggest city in the US still can't get proper measurements at their main reporting station.

Thanks Mike, I did see this on the NWS site when I got home tonight and a minute later I saw your message.

The e-mail has already been sent Frank, but as always if they do change it, it will be long after the whole world believes NYC received 5.0 inches of snow when in reality its 6-7 inches.

This isn't rocket science, but they make it more complicated then quantum physics.

One of these days I'm just going to give up.

It really is a shame that New York City has such sloppy recordkeeping.I know Mike and You are NEVER gonna let them get away with this crap.Where do you find the e mail address because I'm going to send one too.Let's get as many board members as possible to back you up on this.I know this is weather banter but I had to vent myself.

Measurements taken after 7pm added around an inch or so to many locations but the Park ends with 5.1" for the date. LGA 7", JFK 8.2", Newark 5.8". A trained spotter in the Bx measured 6.4" at 9:20pm.
It was a hard snow to measure with the wind and the dry fluff factor. You'd have to be out taking multiple measurements throughout the day to get a very accurate number, which the airports are more likely to do, since they are out working and clearing snow regardless.
I measured just about 7" in 2 separate measurements. If done in one measurement around 10pm it came out a little less.


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Post by Dunnzoo Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:14 am

@sroc4 wrote:Good morning all.  So friday night I went out to celebrate my buddies 40th B-Day; however, instead of celebrating "like" we were 40 we decided to celebrate "like" we were 20 instead.  The result of this was a day yesterday practically useless with occasional praying to the porcelain God.  Ugg I'm still not 100%.  I digress.

Here are some other totals reported for the region.  A trained spotter within a mile of me measured 10.1" in E Shoreham so I feel good about my total.  http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=OKX&product=PNS&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

I feel your pain Scott, that was me last Sunday! I measured 4", I think mugs measured 5" and a spotter near us 3.7" so I think I'm sticking with my 4". Regarding the modeling, how can the SR models be so different for an area for 2 events? Could it be because they were so close together? The NAM for me for Friday had 2", we got .25". For yesterday it was spot on at 4". So frustrating! I know it's for guidance but just looking for a reason for inconsistency within 24 hours.....

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Post by Armando Salvadore Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:30 am

Waking up to a snow, filled winter wonderland with temperatures in the teens with a wind chill in the single digits truly makes this feel like winter. NYC ended up with 5" from what i read, and the QPF reported was .32", which equaled a 15.9:1 ratio! That is what you get with a deep isothermal favorable dendritic growth zone. Fascinating!
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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:51 am

@Armando Salvadore wrote:Waking up to a snow, filled winter wonderland with temperatures in the teens with a wind chill in the single digits truly makes this feel like winter. NYC ended up with 5" from what i read, and the QPF reported was .32", which equaled a 15.9:1 ratio! That is what you get with a deep isothermal favorable dendritic growth zone. Fascinating!  

Don't believe everything you read.

Central Park reported 5.1 inches they received almost 7. It's a long boring story that never changes.
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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:54 am

@Dtone wrote:
@docstox12 wrote:
@CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
@Frank_Wx wrote:
@Math23x7 wrote:CALLING CP! CALLING CP!!!  Emergency.  As of 4 PM, CPK had measured 4.3" of snow.  As of 7 PM, they have 5.0", just 0.7" more than three hours earlier.  In that time span, 0.11" qpf fell.  In that same span, LGA had 1.7", EWR had 1.5" and JFK had 1.9". But only 0.7" for CPK with this kind of ratio?????????

Crap, CP will not let this pass. Email coming.

Unfreakin believable. The biggest city in the US still can't get proper measurements at their main reporting station.

Thanks Mike, I did see this on the NWS site when I got home tonight and a minute later I saw your message.

The e-mail has already been sent Frank, but as always if they do change it, it will be long after the whole world believes NYC received 5.0 inches of snow when in reality its 6-7 inches.

This isn't rocket science, but they make it more complicated then quantum physics.

One of these days I'm just going to give up.

It really is a shame that New York City has such sloppy recordkeeping.I know Mike and You are NEVER gonna let them get away with this crap.Where do you find the e mail address because I'm going to send one too.Let's get as many board members as possible to back you up on this.I know this is weather banter but I had to vent myself.

Measurements taken after 7pm added around an inch or so to many locations but the Park ends with 5.1" for the date. LGA 7", JFK 8.2", Newark 5.8". A trained spotter in the Bx measured 6.4" at 9:20pm.
It was a hard snow to measure with the wind and the dry fluff factor. You'd have to be out taking multiple measurements throughout the day to get a very accurate number, which the airports are more likely to do, since they are out working and clearing snow regardless.
I measured just about 7" in 2 separate measurements. If done in one measurement around 10pm it came out a little less.


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Post by docstox12 Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:12 am

OK CP, I sent a message of disapproval on the job they did yesterday.

Let's all get aboard here and cover CP's back on this so maybe these guys will get their act together and finally measure correctly!!!
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Post by docstox12 Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:15 am

@sroc4 wrote:Good morning all.  So friday night I went out to celebrate my buddies 40th B-Day; however, instead of celebrating "like" we were 40 we decided to celebrate "like" we were 20 instead.  The result of this was a day yesterday practically useless with occasional praying to the porcelain God.  Ugg I'm still not 100%.  I digress.

This ended up a great storm for LI.  I ended with 10.4" as my avg total.  Flurries started about 10;30am, but steady snow started for me around 11am.  I went out about 7pm last night and measured 9".  I averaged over 1" per hour rates throughout that time.  That said the first 2 hrs of snow were light.  There were def periods throughout the day where I was seeing 2-3"/hr rates.   Very fun to watch.  It came to a close about 10-10:30pm where I picked up that additional 1.4".  Great storm for us given the model mayhem; however, it could have been sooo much better.  There were 2-4"/hr rates sitting just off the LI coast all day and did not seem to move.  Measuring the distance they were only 25-50miles away.  I would like to see totals for the eastern most portions of the south fork of LI.  Some of these bands did sit over them for several hrs.  I bet there are greater than 12" amts out there.  That close to Roidzilla.  I am not complaining however.

Here are some other totals reported for the region.  A trained spotter within a mile of me measured 10.1" in E Shoreham so I feel good about my total.  http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=OKX&product=PNS&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

LOL, Doc, been there done that but have not put in any porcelain god time since 1978.I would not live through it today at my age!!!

So glad you, Jimmy, and the rest of the Island guys did well on this.We used to have a poster a while ago, Nofork on the North Fork.Too bad he's still not here he would report in form there.They must have got the most I think.
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Post by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:14 pm

@sroc4 wrote:Good morning all.  So friday night I went out to celebrate my buddies 40th B-Day; however, instead of celebrating "like" we were 40 we decided to celebrate "like" we were 20 instead.  The result of this was a day yesterday practically useless with occasional praying to the porcelain God.  Ugg I'm still not 100%.  I digress.

This ended up a great storm for LI.  I ended with 10.4" as my avg total.  Flurries started about 10;30am, but steady snow started for me around 11am.  I went out about 7pm last night and measured 9".  I averaged over 1" per hour rates throughout that time.  That said the first 2 hrs of snow were light.  There were def periods throughout the day where I was seeing 2-3"/hr rates.   Very fun to watch.  It came to a close about 10-10:30pm where I picked up that additional 1.4".  Great storm for us given the model mayhem; however, it could have been sooo much better.  There were 2-4"/hr rates sitting just off the LI coast all day and did not seem to move.  Measuring the distance they were only 25-50miles away.  I would like to see totals for the eastern most portions of the south fork of LI.  Some of these bands did sit over them for several hrs.  I bet there are greater than 12" amts out there.  That close to Roidzilla.  I am not complaining however.

Here are some other totals reported for the region.  A trained spotter within a mile of me measured 10.1" in E Shoreham so I feel good about my total.  http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=OKX&product=PNS&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

My storm observations are almost the same as you buddy. Identical. Started at 9 and was light until about 11:30. From then till about 9 last night we averaged about 1" per hour here. Great storm. After being outside this morning and seeing some of the official observations from the 2 towns nearest me that each reported over 9" (even though it snowed for an hour and a half after they were made) I'm going to ammend my total down to 10.5" from 11".

Say hi to the porcelain God from me. Haven't seen him in awhile.

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