Re: Banter Thread 5.0

[dkodgis]

Aw man I missed it. Photos?

[amugs]

A very respected and super intelligent scientist on the topic of CC and the wildfires.
https://youtu.be/78E4nRfZnQM

The sun today looked apocalyptic around here kept temps 3-4 degrees below normal.




More smokey sky for manana since the smoke level will drop.

[docstox12]

It must have been amazing when Krakatoa blew in 1883.The skies all over the world must have gone darker.

[sroc4]

I was driving the boys to soccer and did my best to snap a few pics.

[HectorO]

How true is this?
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/wildfires-weather-patterns-push-smoke-east-create-haze-over-nyc

Even with a Jetstream, I wasn't aware that the smoke from the wildfires in Cali, would reach out this far.

[amugs]

How true is this?
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/wildfires-weather-patterns-push-smoke-east-create-haze-over-nyc

Even with a Jetstream, I wasn't aware that the smoke from the wildfires in Cali, would reach out this far.

Yes it is the smoke went up to the Jet Stream and since it is basically across the north tier of America it made its way here.

To Doc, the recorded history accounts are that the sun for the South PAC, Southern parts of Asia, and the America's , North and South had dark to dusk like skies for days.
Scientist have suggested that Krakotoa , Pinatubo and Mount St Helen's combined relasesd more CO2, Aresols, Sulfur, Sulfur Dioxise, Methane gases than basically man has emitted during the Industrial Revolution 300 yr plus lifetime.

Sun Spots are nill still.

Daily Sun: 16 Sep 20
The sun is blank--no sunspots. Credit: SDO/HM

Sunspot number: 0
What is the sunspot number?
Updated 16 Sep 2020

Spotless Days
Current Stretch: 26 days
2020 total: 182 days (70%)
2019 total: 281 days (77%)
2018 total: 221 days (61%)

[docstox12]

How true is this?
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/wildfires-weather-patterns-push-smoke-east-create-haze-over-nyc

Even with a Jetstream, I wasn't aware that the smoke from the wildfires in Cali, would reach out this far.

Hector,
When I was a kid back in the 1950's to early 1960's, the same thing happened with above ground nuclear tests.Strontium 190 would be found in the milk.It was awful and corrected by the above ground nuclear test treaty of 1962 or 1963.The prevailing upper wind patterns carry this stuff East towards us.

[Dunnzoo]

How true is this?
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/wildfires-weather-patterns-push-smoke-east-create-haze-over-nyc

Even with a Jetstream, I wasn't aware that the smoke from the wildfires in Cali, would reach out this far.

Hector,
When I was a kid back in the 1950's to early 1960's, the same thing happened with above ground nuclear tests.Strontium 190 would be found in the milk.It was awful and corrected by the above ground nuclear test treaty of 1962 or 1963.The prevailing upper wind patterns carry this stuff East towards us.

Some of us probably remember when Mt. St. Helen's blew in 1980 and we had ash on our cars here in Jersey, not just smoke, but ash was falling from the sky!

[amugs]

Oh so true Zoo so very true!!

[docstox12]

Mugsy, this fits in with your recent discussions of solar activity affecting electrical grids.Enjoy!

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/solar-flare-actually-sunk-titanic-194900308.html

[sroc4]

Mugsy, this fits in with your recent discussions of solar activity affecting electrical grids.Enjoy!

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/solar-flare-actually-sunk-titanic-194900308.html

Very cool Doc. And certainly plausible.

[docstox12]

Mugsy, this fits in with your recent discussions of solar activity affecting electrical grids.Enjoy!

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/solar-flare-actually-sunk-titanic-194900308.html

Very cool Doc.  And certainly plausible.

Doc, it certainly is a possible explanation.I never gave this possibility any thought until this article.It is right in Mugsy's area of study.

[jmanley32]

I love these far fetched stories, really guys plausible? This happened how long ago and they are just saying this now? Come on you all smarter than that. I think its more likely Teddy makes a direct hit on Colorado without going over any other states first.

[amugs]

Mugsy, this fits in with your recent discussions of solar activity affecting electrical grids.Enjoy!

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/solar-flare-actually-sunk-titanic-194900308.html

Very cool Doc.  And certainly plausible.

Doc, it certainly is a possible explanation.I never gave this possibility any thought until this article.It is right in Mugsy's area of study.

It is certainly plausible after researching sun activity (flares, coronal holes, CME etc) the past 6 years and by no means am I an expert or hold a degree, just hobby and very interesting to me. Doc, thank you for sharing and it is very plausible reading the article. See what is also interesting is that researchers along with those scientists who have not been bought and are truthful can show a possibility to such and why to the what. Sun flares can wreck havoc on our planet and solar system in general.
@Jman, thank you for the compliment and yes after reading the article and researching the references it is a plausible explanation. Solar flares with a C class type flare rating that is what they are saying occurred will interfere with any radio frequency communications on this planet and that is and has been proven. So that is a plausible explanation. The references also show that the Canadaian zmaritime region and New England sates along with the British Isles experienced telecommunication interference this same night and morning. So with this forensic research it is very plausible and thanks for sharing Doc.

[docstox12]

Mugsy, this fits in with your recent discussions of solar activity affecting electrical grids.Enjoy!

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/solar-flare-actually-sunk-titanic-194900308.html

Very cool Doc.  And certainly plausible.

Doc, it certainly is a possible explanation.I never gave this possibility any thought until this article.It is right in Mugsy's area of study.

It is certainly plausible after researching sun activity (flares, coronal holes, CME etc) the past 6 years and by no means am I an expert or hold a degree, just hobby and very interesting to me. Doc, thank you for sharing  and it is very plausible reading the article. See what is also interesting is that researchers along with those scientists who have not been bought and are truthful can show a possibility to such and why to the what. Sun flares can wreck havoc on our planet and solar system in general.
@Jman, thank you for the compliment and yes after reading the article and researching the references it is a plausible explanation. Solar flares with a C class type flare rating that is what they are saying occurred will interfere with any radio frequency communications on this planet and that is and has been proven. So that is a plausible explanation. The references also show that the Canadaian zmaritime region and New England sates along with the British Isles experienced telecommunication interference this same night and morning. So with this forensic research it is very plausible and thanks for sharing Doc.

Ok, Mugsy, my pleasure, figured this would fit in with the information on this interesting area of study you have been sharing with us.

[dkodgis]

Using this as a search query

titanic sinking solar storms distorting radio compass

returns many hits. So this really is intriguing. The concept of weather in space made me pause and reflect.

[amugs]

More on solar cycles and the low solar affects on our planet in the latest from MSAS and MOAA in this article.

https://watchers.news/2020/09/15/solar-cycle-25/

Snipet from the article

Solar minimum occurred in December 2019, marking the start of a new solar cycle, the Solar Cycle 25 Prediction Panel, an international group of experts co-sponsored by NASA and NOAA, announced on September 15, 2020.

The solar minimum between Solar Cycle 24 and 25 - the period when the Sun is least active - happened in December 2019, when the 13-month smoothed sunspot number fell to 1.8, the group announced today.

"We are now in Solar Cycle 25 with peak sunspot activity expected in 2025."

Solar Cycle 24 was average in length, at 11 years, and had the 4th-smallest intensity since regular record-keeping began with Solar Cycle 1 in 1755.

It was also the weakest cycle in 100 years, scientists said, adding that its progression was unusual.






Image credit: NOAA/SWPC

Solar maximum occurred in April 2014 with sunspots peaking at 114 for the solar cycle, well below average, which is 179.

The Sun’s Northern Hemisphere led the sunspot cycle, peaking over two years ahead of the Southern Hemisphere sunspot peak. This resulted in solar maximum having fewer sunspots than if the two hemispheres were in phase.



Image credit: NOAA/SWPC

We then entered a very deep, century-class solar minimum, and significantly increased cosmic radiation.

In 2019, the Sun has been blank 77% of the time, which is comparable to annual averages during the century-class Solar Minimum of 2008 (73%) and 2009 (71%). In 2020, from January to September, the Sun has been blank for 181 days or 70%.


During the solar minimum phase of the solar cycle, sunspot and flare activity diminishes, and the Sun's magnetic field weakens, allowing cosmic rays to enter the solar system and shower Earth.

In 2019 and 2020, cosmic radiation reached a percentage point of the Space Age maximum set in 2009/10 near the end of the previous solar minimum, also very deep as this one.



Since the start of 2020, activity on the Sun has steadily increased, indicating we transitioned to Solar Cycle 25.

"How quickly solar activity rises in an indicator of how strong the cycle will be," said Doug Biesecker, Ph.D., panel co-chair and a solar physicist at NOAA’s Space Weather Prediction Center. "Although we’ve seen a steady increase in sunspot activity this year, it is slow."

The Sun's activity is forecast to ramp up toward the next predicted maximum in July 2025, with a peak of 115 sunspots -- but the new solar cycle is expected to be below average in strength, much like the one that just ended.



Image credit: NOAA/SWPC


This, however, doesn't mean that there is no risk of powerful solar flares and extreme space weather.

In addition, some scientists say that these weak cycles may be signaling that we are at the beginning of a much bigger cycle -- called grand minimum -- which can last several decades or even centuries. These cycles are, among other things, marked by increased cosmic radiation, as well as heightened seismic and volcanic activity.

The largest recent grand minimum happened during the period of history we now know as Little Ice Age. Some say it lasted from the 16th to 19th century, while others argue that it started way back in the 13th century when pack ice began advancing southwards.

According to Miller et al., cold summers and ice growth began abruptly between 1275 and 1300, followed by a substantial intensification from 1430 to 1455.

Scientists have shown that the world experienced heightened volcanic activity throughout the Little Ice Age, starting with massive tropical volcanic eruptions in 1257 -- whose ash cloud covered the whole earth, blocked some of the incoming solar radiation, and caused cooling.

The 1257 eruptions were followed by three smaller eruptions in 1268, 1275, and 1284 which further blocked some of the incoming solar radiation and prevented the climate to recover.

Another significant cooling period known as Spörer Minimum took place from 1460 to 1550, followed by another in the middle of the Little Ice Age, from 1645 to 1715, known as the Maunder Minimum -- when sunspots became exceedingly rare.

[amugs]

Volcano Eruption to 7 miles in Indonesia
https://twitter.com/Electroversenet/status/1308020147274297346?s=20

SANGAY VOLCANO ERUPTS TO 40,000 FT (12.2 KM)
SEPTEMBER 21, 2020 CAP ALLON
Ecuador’s active Sangay Volcano exploded in dramatic fashion over the weekend, firing volcanic ash high into the atmosphere — the explosion was a number of times stronger than those previously observed during the volcano’s recent uptick.
Edit:
Worst explosion since the 1934 explosion here - this is being classified as a VEI 3 out of 5.

[amugs]

Dr Maue to get top spot at NOAA? He is a level headed person who would put people in tehir places and change teh criteria for naming hcanes as he has been a proponent of as well as other logical ideas. I am sure he will ruffle some feathers and those like Al Gore will not agree with him but he's not a politician but a seasoned pro met.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/09/21/noaa-chief-scientist-maue/

[amugs]

Dr Judith Curry - Great Article on the wildfires out west and in Aussi land - some maybe surprised some maybe not but in a synopsis we, man and our govt's have not listened to the old salt's (American Indians, Aborigines)for how to control these lands so we do not get such large out of control, destructive fires. Its about land management, control burns and tougher building codes (not allowing people to build homes/developments) in such high risk areas - logical I know.

https://judithcurry.com/2020/09/15/fire/

[Quietace]

Dr Maue to get top spot at NOAA? He is a level headed person who would put people in tehir places and change teh criteria for naming hcanes as he has been a proponent of as well as other logical ideas. I am sure he will ruffle some feathers and those like Al Gore will not agree with him but he's not a politician but a seasoned pro met.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/09/21/noaa-chief-scientist-maue/

Rather than post a long-winded response or not say anything, I will just say I completely disagree with everything said here and he is quite frankly not qualified to be in this position no matter what you think. Period.

[amugs]

Another article that discusses the possibility of a solar flare that might had influenced the sinking of the Titanic.
https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/wea.3817?af=R

[Frank_Wx]

Hey clan -

Miss you all! Not going to lie, its been an off year for me. I just have not felt myself since COVID came around and shut everything down. I felt like a prisoner in my own home, except I'm in a pretty small apartment. I kept reminding myself, that unfortunately, people (and families) have it wayyy worse than I do.

Also, my gf and I have been looking for a home to buy but we kept getting out-bid by you crazy new yorkers who are bidding 20-30% over asking price. Luckily, we are currently under contract and hope to finally be in a place we can call home soon.

Other than that, summer is over and we're looking at much cooler days ahead. We'll see what winter holds

[brownie]

Hey clan -

Miss you all! Not going to lie, its been an off year for me. I just have not felt myself since COVID came around and shut everything down. I felt like a prisoner in my own home, except I'm in a pretty small apartment. I kept reminding myself, that unfortunately, people (and families) have it wayyy worse than I do.

Also, my gf and I have been looking for a home to buy but we kept getting out-bid by you crazy new yorkers who are bidding 20-30% over asking price. Luckily, we are currently under contract and hope to finally be in a place we can call home soon.

Other than that, summer is over and we're looking at much cooler days ahead. We'll see what winter holds

Nice to hear from you.  . I’ve been feeling the same - trapped, no life, etc.  Good luck with your new home!

[docstox12]

Hi, Frank, glad you are getting through these tough days and you are about to move into your own home.Good move, building equity instead of lining a landlord's pocket.As a homeowner in the LHV, glad to hear those above market bids coming in.People fleeing close quarters in the City with the virus plus the burning and looting.
Looking forward to the winter this first day of Fall, but not getting good feelings about it at this juncture.

[sroc4]

Dr Maue to get top spot at NOAA? He is a level headed person who would put people in tehir places and change teh criteria for naming hcanes as he has been a proponent of as well as other logical ideas. I am sure he will ruffle some feathers and those like Al Gore will not agree with him but he's not a politician but a seasoned pro met.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/09/21/noaa-chief-scientist-maue/

Rather than post a long-winded response or not say anything, I will just say I completely disagree with everything said here and he is quite frankly not qualified to be in this position no matter what you think. Period.

Most experts(the consensus) stated Joe Madden was not qualified to manage the Tampa Bay Rays when he was given the position in 2006.  After turning around the Rays organization he went on the win the World Series with the Cubs. He is now considered on of the best managers to have managed.

Just because some feel he may not be qualified doesn’t mean that this isnt exactly what the head of the governmental agency needs. In fact in today’s political climate I’d argue someone NOT a part of the institution trying to control the narrative of everything is exactly what is needed.

Ryan I’d be down to reading a long post as to why you feel the way you do.

[Dunnzoo]

Hey clan -

Miss you all! Not going to lie, its been an off year for me. I just have not felt myself since COVID came around and shut everything down. I felt like a prisoner in my own home, except I'm in a pretty small apartment. I kept reminding myself, that unfortunately, people (and families) have it wayyy worse than I do.

Also, my gf and I have been looking for a home to buy but we kept getting out-bid by you crazy new yorkers who are bidding 20-30% over asking price. Luckily, we are currently under contract and hope to finally be in a place we can call home soon.

Other than that, summer is over and we're looking at much cooler days ahead. We'll see what winter holds

Hey Frank! Great to hear from you! Yes it has been a tough few months, but glad to hear you will soon be a homeowner! Congratulations and best of luck! Maybe we can have a get-together soon before outdoor dining shuts down for the winter.

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