Re: Banter Thread 9.0

[amugs]

It’s also funny to watch the hypocrisy of all the large corporations that pander to the green initiative with money and PR, but then demand employees return to the office instead of finding ways to make work from home permanent for office employees.  The environmental impacts to the decreased work commutes during Covid were well documented and came surprisingly fast.  However, they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing.  Follow the money.  Always

EXCELLENT post on this!! Submarine Volcanoes paper was published last year on teh pacific ocean warming but neglected. Sun and its cycles, galactic sheet/dust, electro universe, magnetic pole shift are a few others that are being but when they find out contrary information they get caboshed.

[essexcountypete]

What's Wrong With The Argument 'The Climate Is Always Changing'
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/676198899/climate-scientist-says-argument-the-climate-is-always-changing-is-wrong

[docstox12]

What's Wrong With The Argument 'The Climate Is Always Changing'
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/676198899/climate-scientist-says-argument-the-climate-is-always-changing-is-wrong

All I know is once where I was sitting there would be water over my head millions of years ago , then millions of years later, 100 feet of ice.Anybody who doesn't believe that is welcome to look at the gigantic boulders dropped off here and there when the glaciers pulled back in Harriman State Park.All when there were no people to influence the climate.But the climate changing argument is wrong,LOL.

[essexcountypete]

It’s also funny to watch the hypocrisy of all the large corporations that pander to the green initiative with money and PR, but then demand employees return to the office instead of finding ways to make work from home permanent for office employees.  The environmental impacts to the decreased work commutes during Covid were well documented and came surprisingly fast.  However, they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing.  Follow the money.  Always

"they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing."

Who is "they"? So many conspiracies make attributions to "they", but there is no such thing as "they". The notion that "all the large companies" move in unison and make decisions as a single entity lacks common sense. They make decisions based on what makes sense for their company. It's about the bottom line. The idea that any particular CEO (not invested in real estate) would do something "to protect" another industry like real estate rather than protect their bottom line is ludicrous.

Lots of companies have decided that remote work is a viable option, others believe that having people together in the office is a better choice, and yet others have chosen to have workers in the office for a set number of days per week. The idea that "all the large corporations" are forcing people back to the office "to protect the real estate market from collapsing" defies logic. Each company has chosen what's best for their company.

[docstox12]

It’s also funny to watch the hypocrisy of all the large corporations that pander to the green initiative with money and PR, but then demand employees return to the office instead of finding ways to make work from home permanent for office employees.  The environmental impacts to the decreased work commutes during Covid were well documented and came surprisingly fast.  However, they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing.  Follow the money.  Always

"they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing."

Who is "they"? So many conspiracies make attributions to "they", but there is no such thing as "they". The notion that "all the large companies" move in unison and make decisions as a single entity lacks common sense. They make decisions based on what makes sense for their company. It's about the bottom line. The idea that any particular CEO (not invested in real estate) would do something "to protect" another industry like real estate rather than protect their bottom line is ludicrous.  

Lots of companies have decided that remote work is a viable option, others believe that having people together in the office is a better choice, and yet others have chosen to have workers in the office for a set number of days per week. The idea that "all the large corporations" are forcing people back to the office "to protect the real estate market from collapsing" defies logic. Each company has chosen what's best for their company.

As a trader/investor , this would behoove all to watch, as I do, as this large amount of debt is to be rolled over this year at much higher interest rates than they were originated.IF those buildings can't generate enough income to pay these loans, then the bank will have to eat them.The banking system ,I feel, is very shaky right now and these commercial loans on the books of many banks look scary to me.Do your due diligence as to the strength of the book of the bank you park any cash in.
I can't verify anything on Pete or Kerptom's discussion , but the above is what I do know and am watching.

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/amount-commercial-real-estate-loans-173034607.html

[sroc4]

It’s also funny to watch the hypocrisy of all the large corporations that pander to the green initiative with money and PR, but then demand employees return to the office instead of finding ways to make work from home permanent for office employees.  The environmental impacts to the decreased work commutes during Covid were well documented and came surprisingly fast.  However, they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing.  Follow the money.  Always

"they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing."

Who is "they"? So many conspiracies make attributions to "they", but there is no such thing as "they". The notion that "all the large companies" move in unison and make decisions as a single entity lacks common sense. They make decisions based on what makes sense for their company. It's about the bottom line. The idea that any particular CEO (not invested in real estate) would do something "to protect" another industry like real estate rather than protect their bottom line is ludicrous.  

Lots of companies have decided that remote work is a viable option, others believe that having people together in the office is a better choice, and yet others have chosen to have workers in the office for a set number of days per week. The idea that "all the large corporations" are forcing people back to the office "to protect the real estate market from collapsing" defies logic. Each company has chosen what's best for their company.

Do you think DEI is good for "The bottom line" of a company?

[sroc4]

It’s also funny to watch the hypocrisy of all the large corporations that pander to the green initiative with money and PR, but then demand employees return to the office instead of finding ways to make work from home permanent for office employees.  The environmental impacts to the decreased work commutes during Covid were well documented and came surprisingly fast.  However, they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing.  Follow the money.  Always

"they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing."

Who is "they"? So many conspiracies make attributions to "they", but there is no such thing as "they". The notion that "all the large companies" move in unison and make decisions as a single entity lacks common sense. They make decisions based on what makes sense for their company. It's about the bottom line. The idea that any particular CEO (not invested in real estate) would do something "to protect" another industry like real estate rather than protect their bottom line is ludicrous.  

Lots of companies have decided that remote work is a viable option, others believe that having people together in the office is a better choice, and yet others have chosen to have workers in the office for a set number of days per week. The idea that "all the large corporations" are forcing people back to the office "to protect the real estate market from collapsing" defies logic. Each company has chosen what's best for their company.

And there def is a they.  And if you think big corporations, governments, big pharmaceutical companies, and any entity with exceptional wealth and power are just making decisions based on their bottom line you are mistaken.  Its a part of it for sure but there is something else in motion here. Power and control is the other major player in the world today.  If you look back on thousands of years of history the idea of the few controlling the many is seen over and over and over again.  The United States of America was an experiment.  It was the first time in the worlds history where the central/federal govt was not in control.  Instead the founding fathers broke up the power to the masses.  They gave them the power to elect local, and state officials to govern themselves so that there wasnt one centralized authorityutelling everyone to live the same way.  The US constitution and bill of Rights is the greatest document ever written.  

But if you really start to look at it "they", groups of powerful people want to tell the many what to do again.  Slowly but surely your rights are being stripped away and you are excepting of it.  They push util there is push back; then they ease up when there is push back.  Then they slowly begin to push again until there is more push back.  Rinse wwash and repeat.  If you want to boil a frog you dont throw him in boilingwater.  You put him in a luke warm bath and slowly rais the temp one degree at a time.  Before the frog know what happens its too late.  

"They" are the ones who want to tell the masses how to live, "we" are trying to keep the power with the people.

[docstox12]

It’s also funny to watch the hypocrisy of all the large corporations that pander to the green initiative with money and PR, but then demand employees return to the office instead of finding ways to make work from home permanent for office employees.  The environmental impacts to the decreased work commutes during Covid were well documented and came surprisingly fast.  However, they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing.  Follow the money.  Always

"they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing."

Who is "they"? So many conspiracies make attributions to "they", but there is no such thing as "they". The notion that "all the large companies" move in unison and make decisions as a single entity lacks common sense. They make decisions based on what makes sense for their company. It's about the bottom line. The idea that any particular CEO (not invested in real estate) would do something "to protect" another industry like real estate rather than protect their bottom line is ludicrous.  

Lots of companies have decided that remote work is a viable option, others believe that having people together in the office is a better choice, and yet others have chosen to have workers in the office for a set number of days per week. The idea that "all the large corporations" are forcing people back to the office "to protect the real estate market from collapsing" defies logic. Each company has chosen what's best for their company.

And there def is a they.  And if you think big corporations, governments, big pharmaceutical companies, and any entity with exceptional wealth and power are just making decisions based on their bottom line you are mistaken.  Its a part of it for sure but there is something else in motion here. Power and control is the other major player in the world today.  If you look back on thousands of years of history the idea of the few controlling the many is seen over and over and over again.  The United States of America was an experiment.  It was the first time in the worlds history where the central/federal govt was not in control.  Instead the founding fathers broke up the power to the masses.  They gave them the power to elect local, and state officials to govern themselves so that there wasnt one centralized authorityutelling everyone to live the same way.  The US constitution and bill of Rights is the greatest document ever written.  

But if you really start to look at it "they", groups of powerful people want to tell the many what to do again.  Slowly but surely your rights are being stripped away and you are excepting of it.  They push util there is push back; then they ease up when there is push back.  Then they slowly begin to push again until there is more push back.  Rinse wwash and repeat.  If you want to boil a frog you dont throw him in boilingwater.  You put him in a luke warm bath and slowly rais the temp one degree at a time.  Before the frog know what happens its too late.  

"They" are the ones who want to tell the masses how to live, "we" are trying to keep the power with the people.

To exemplify the fragility of this Constitutional Republic, just go back to when Ben Franklin walked out of the Continental Congress and a woman asked him,,,,,"Well, Mr. Franklin, what kind of government have you given us"? He replied:
" A Republic ,Madam, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT"!
God Bless the USA!

[docstox12]

As to Pete and Keroptem disco on commercial real estate:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4670610-do-you-hear-the-thunder-quiet-regional-bank-rumblings-continue

Just putting this out there for our members for a heads up on what is happening out there.Do your due diligence as to the solidity of the bank's book you keep your cash in.

Peace, out!

[Grselig]

As to Pete and Keroptem disco on commercial real estate:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4670610-do-you-hear-the-thunder-quiet-regional-bank-rumblings-continue

Just putting this out there for our members for a heads up on what is happening out there.Do your due diligence as to the solidity of the bank's book you keep your cash in.

Peace, out!

Thanks Doc. CRE is a concern. In many cases, once there are significant closures panic develops which makes things worse.

[crippo84]

The banner tonight needs some intro music and a hype man. Got it feeling like real winter!

[amugs]

As to Pete and Keroptem disco on commercial real estate:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4670610-do-you-hear-the-thunder-quiet-regional-bank-rumblings-continue


Banking industry has been in trouble and the FED and Treasurey Dept pulled a fast one when 4 banks went under last spring. Look at that. Markets too, derivative which are a made up trading scheme that not many know about BUT they are trading at levels lower than the 2008 crash. Matter of time.

Just putting this out there for our members for a heads up on what is happening out there.Do your due diligence as to the solidity of the bank's book you keep your cash in.

Peace, out!

Thanks Doc.  CRE is a concern.  In many cases, once there are significant closures panic develops which makes things worse.  

[WeatherBob]

It’s ok Phil! But if anyone posts a weather report of any kind, without your location , the report is meaningless. Just a good tip to remember when posting.

[weatherwatchermom]

AND ITS STILL SNOWING...

[docstox12]

AND ITS STILL SNOWING...

Great,MOM, you deserve a good one! Amazing how the snow piles up under those heavy bands.

[sroc4]

Jon. Remember this exchange?  

Bastardi just posted fri/sat 2-4 from PA to NYC to MA 20 to 30:1 ratios and locally 8 inches. I dont buy it. Its not go be that cold to see that kind of ratio.

No need to buy anything Jon.  I believe he is making a broad general statement.  Surface temps are mid to upper 20's to 30* on most models, with 925-850mb temps at or around -6 to -9 or less depending on the exact model and the exact time of day the precip moves in and where you live.  This would absolutely produce high ratio snows as indicated by JB.  His statement is not that far fetched at all and is more than reasonable.  Your statement makes me think you are thinking he is speaking about your back yard specifically and that he is locked into that idea.  Obv this is a general statement that has plenty of merit based on the current modeling.  

[docstox12]

Jon. Remember this exchange?  

Bastardi just posted fri/sat 2-4 from PA to NYC to MA 20 to 30:1 ratios and locally 8 inches. I dont buy it. Its not go be that cold to see that kind of ratio.

No need to buy anything Jon.  I believe he is making a broad general statement.  Surface temps are mid to upper 20's to 30* on most models, with 925-850mb temps at or around -6 to -9 or less depending on the exact model and the exact time of day the precip moves in and where you live.  This would absolutely produce high ratio snows as indicated by JB.  His statement is not that far fetched at all and is more than reasonable.  Your statement makes me think you are thinking he is speaking about your back yard specifically and that he is locked into that idea.  Obv this is a general statement that has plenty of merit based on the current modeling.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8CpIg2fvU

[sroc4]

Jon. Remember this exchange?  

Bastardi just posted fri/sat 2-4 from PA to NYC to MA 20 to 30:1 ratios and locally 8 inches. I dont buy it. Its not go be that cold to see that kind of ratio.

No need to buy anything Jon.  I believe he is making a broad general statement.  Surface temps are mid to upper 20's to 30* on most models, with 925-850mb temps at or around -6 to -9 or less depending on the exact model and the exact time of day the precip moves in and where you live.  This would absolutely produce high ratio snows as indicated by JB.  His statement is not that far fetched at all and is more than reasonable.  Your statement makes me think you are thinking he is speaking about your back yard specifically and that he is locked into that idea.  Obv this is a general statement that has plenty of merit based on the current modeling.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8CpIg2fvU

You’re killing me over here. Lol

[WeatherBob]

Wow, a true winter day, low in the upper teens and low 20’s and highs in the mid 30’s , wind chills in the teens in the aft? How many days have we had like this in the last 2 winters?

[Koroptim]

To everyone, would you rather get 20 two inch events over a two month period, or two 20 inch events?

[snowday111]

Love Would you Rathers. I feel like I'm in school.
I'll take 2 20 inch events please.

[frank 638]

I know winter is not over yet. We only have a couple weeks left so far I am giving this winter a D . I see that because for NYC we only got 6 inches of snow. I was hoping this year there would be a big turnaround from last winter, but it didn’t happen. I remember we had winters with mountains of snow that will last us late March and April. Is this global warming or is this a cycle ? to me this reminds me of the winter of 97– 98–99 those winters we had very low to any snow will this be another for next winter I don’t know all I can say is that on spring and summer I’m just sick and tired of this I just hope in March we get a nice surprise, but I really doubt it

[docstox12]

I know winter is not over yet. We only have a couple weeks left so far I am giving this winter a D . I see that because for NYC we only got 6 inches of snow. I was hoping this year there would be a big turnaround from last winter, but it didn’t happen. I remember we had winters with mountains of snow that will last us late March and April. Is this global warming or is this a cycle ? to me this reminds me of the winter of 97– 98–99 those winters we had very low to any snow will this be another for next winter I don’t know all I can say is that on spring and summer I’m just sick and tired of this I just hope in March we get a nice surprise, but I really doubt it

There was a long period back in the day without a major snowstorm.The February 1969 "Mayor Lyndsay" snowstorm dumped 19 inches.We didn't get anything near that until January 1978.Then there was a five year period, 1978 to February 1983.
I would so far give this winter a D also because we are again way below the average snowfall of 50 inches here in the LHV.I think there is still plenty of time for more snow, March has been a productive month in recent years.

[HectorO]

I know winter is not over yet. We only have a couple weeks left so far I am giving this winter a D . I see that because for NYC we only got 6 inches of snow. I was hoping this year there would be a big turnaround from last winter, but it didn’t happen. I remember we had winters with mountains of snow that will last us late March and April. Is this global warming or is this a cycle ? to me this reminds me of the winter of 97– 98–99 those winters we had very low to any snow will this be another for next winter I don’t know all I can say is that on spring and summer I’m just sick and tired of this I just hope in March we get a nice surprise, but I really doubt it

There was a long period back in the day without a major snowstorm.The February 1969 "Mayor Lyndsay" snowstorm dumped 19 inches.We didn't get anything near that until January 1978.Then there was a five year period, 1978 to February 1983.
I would so far give this winter a D also because we are again way below the average snowfall of 50 inches here in the LHV.I think there is still plenty of time for more snow, March has been a productive month in recent years.

I'm sure it still "felt" like winter though with the temps. It's been a few winters now that most of us have failed to see cold temps hold. It can snow 12 inches and 2 days later you see grass again.

[amugs]

This is an interesting article of sea water rise along the eastern seaboard from NASA.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/152452/americas-sinking-east-coast

[sroc4]

Read this quote, and then tell me that there is no doubt that the people who claim that they have it all figured out know with 100% certainty what role, and how much of a role, the underwater geological features play on the system.  Again if you blindly say yes I still believe they know with 100% certainty after reading the below quote, then you are clearly not thinking without your bias, and/or someone is clearly doing the thinking for you.  The same problems exist in the extreme upper limits of our atmosphere.  The lack of data at these levels is just as limited as it is beneath our ocean surfaces.  

There is a simple; yet complexx formula that gives you climate change:  

Anthropogenic(man made CO2) contributions + Natural variability  = Total Climate change

The people that feed you the narrative regarding Anthropogenic contributions being 99.9% of that formula want you to believe that Natural variability is somewhat of a fixed number, such that when you look at the changes from man over say the last 100 years there is no way to not come to the conclusion that man is responsible for climate change.  What my argument is, along with MANY others in the field, is not that we have the man made CO2 side incorrect; but rather, that the people you claim to form "the consensus" have the other half of the equation wrong.  At a bare bones minimum it's imperative that we question if we have the natural variability side right and allow that question to be openly discussed without prejudice.  

The way science works is you let an individual form a hypothesis; then research the hypothesis; then come to a conclusion; then see if the data forming those conclusions, the methods for collecting the data, and the conclusions themselves hold up to scrutiny.  Instead in todays world any science that is contrary to the narrative gets deleted, banned, shadow banned, and labeled as misinformation.  Right now the idea that we have half the equation wrong is hypothesized, but the powers that be do not you to investigate that idea.  While I have no doubt in my mind that guys like you Irish and essexcounty pete are smart, wonderful and kind human beings, like Pete did last week your knee jerk is to try and discredit the source of contrary info instead of actually looking at and debating the actual content of the data.  Pete presents some left slanted "fact checker" trying to discredit the source as some right wing source of "misinformation" instead of the fact checker actually disputing the validity of the claims.  And people like you just believe this source cant be trusted and dont ever actually investigate the actual content delivered.  

One more time if you read the quote below and think we know with 100% certainty how the geological structures influence our planets atmosphere, then you are the one allowing your bias to control your opinion, and/or you lack the ability to critically think for yourself and require others to tell you what's real or not.  

Dont let an expert tell you what to believe.  Become an expert yourself  




The primary reason geological forces have remained hidden is insufficient monitoring. To properly calculate the effect geological forces have on our oceans, atmosphere and climate, it is necessary to improve the current monitoring system of terrestrial and the 10 million seafloor geological features.

Nearly all the monitoring of ocean floor geological features is done by the ARGO Buoy System. There are currently 3,500 buoys that float across all of our oceans. Their position is constantly recorded and then sent by the onboard PGS system.

The buoys can control their ocean depth, record ocean temperature, and record ocean salinity. Most believe that this is a sufficient amount of data to accurately measure the warming effect of the ocean floor’s geologic features. This isn’t the case.

The buoys only descend to a depth of 6,000 feet. The average depth of the Earth’s oceans is 14,000 feet. Therefore, the buoys do not descend deep enough to accurately record many dynamics of the ocean floor’s geologic features.

One Buoy Every 40,000 Square Miles
Earth’s oceans cover 139,700,000 square miles of Earth. There are 3,500 floating and sinking ARGO Buoys. This equates to one buoy every 40,000 square miles. Described another way, that’s 0.03% of the ocean surface.

There aren’t enough buoys to construct a high-definition three-dimensional map of ocean temperature and salinity.

Geologists have known for many years that all geological features such as seafloor fault segments, volcanoes, hydrothermal vent complexes, etc. turn on and off in irregular patterns.

To calculate the frequency of on-and-off periods it is necessary to leave ocean monitoring devices atop the active or dormant geological features for a long time. Currently, this is nearly impossible to achieve.

An alternative way to achieve this goal is to significantly improve the ability of satellites to measure on and off periods and develop new buoys that can descend to 14,000 feet. By integrating these two methods it will enhance our ability to record on and of periods.

The time each geological feature emits heat before turning off is an important factor in determining the total volume

My note: Its like when people slam me asking me where my proof is of all this.... I ask them where their proof is that it is not.  

[dkodgis]

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p0h715dj/the-monster-volcanoes-hidden-beneath-italy

Several thousands of Hiroshima -level potential eruptions

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