January 25th Winter Storm

Here is an update on the latest from one of our own board members - heehaw.

This could be workable for the HV & NEPA and is better than 12Z run.  I will stress margins on this are razor thin with respect to the ULL movement and mid level temps.  A tick north and this will be confined to I-90 corridor.  The concern I have is the movement of the ULL becomes very sharp towards the north east.  It's only after that sharp movement that the ULL feels the block. You want the ULL to stall before that north east movement, then things would be much different.  It is what it is with regard to this winter.

Tomorrow after 12Z should really narrow the goal posts for the ULL.





12 hour later.  A complete stall of the ULL

This mornings GFS. It's been pretty consistent wanting to drop 6 inches plus in HV and NEPA into NWNJ. Still not much hope for much of the forum but still far enough away for most not to lose hope.

Could be Doc. Elevation will also be key with this system. I think places 50 or so miles N and W with some elevation could do pretty well. I'm in valley so we will see how it plays out.

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:This mornings GFS. It's been pretty consistent wanting to drop 6 inches plus in HV and NEPA into NWNJ. Still not much hope for much of the forum but still far enough away for most not to lose hope.

This morning 6Z Euro snow map similar to this mornings 6Z GFS for our area.

If I'm not mistaken, that Euro puts up to an inch over all of coastal Ocean County. And drops 1-2 inches over most of central NJ. So...hope has arrived! ha ha. Now back to work for me...

12Z GFS.

And the winner again is Mikey in Albany

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:This mornings GFS. It's been pretty consistent wanting to drop 6 inches plus in HV and NEPA into NWNJ. Still not much hope for much of the forum but still far enough away for most not to lose hope.

This morning 6Z Euro snow map similar to this mornings 6Z GFS for our area.

that even gives me a little something let's keep that south trend a bit. So we all cash in.

Yep cp, I might be in a good spot for something but when all said and done I expect like hyde said this will be an elevation type storm. This might end up more north when the final result comes in.

jimv45 wrote:Yep cp, I might be in a good spot for something but when all said and done I expect like hyde said this will be an elevation type storm. This might end up more north when the final result comes in.

The clown maps are what they are now and that's for amusement purposes only. I'm sure the next time our experts chime in (Frank, Sroc, Al, Mugs, Heehaw, whatever happened to RB?) they will tell us of all the various possibilities at this stage which are still many.

Yes many things can still happen! Where is RB? I think this winter put him to sleep

Is there any shot the coast or just inland can see a decent snow out of this? I am just curious because if not theres no real point in ME putting effort into following this, and hats off to those who do benefit.

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:

jimv45 wrote:Yep cp, I might be in a good spot for something but when all said and done I expect like hyde said this will be an elevation type storm. This might end up more north when the final result comes in.

The clown maps are what they are now and that's for amusement purposes only. I'm sure the next time our experts chime in (Frank, Sroc, Al, Mugs, Heehaw, whatever happened to RB?) they will tell us of all the various possibilities at this stage which are still many.

My two main concerns for significant snow for NW folks are the antecedent air mass (mid levels and surface) and the proximity of the ULL.  I can see how LHV gets significant snow just due to the amount of qpf and being just cold enough.  I can also see how this thing falls off a cliff really fast.  It really will come down to the block of the ULL, but the antecedent air mass will be much less than ideal.  That is certain.

It's an interesting setup for sure...

Yep Heehaw, I am thinking this could be an elevation type event! Just hate the storms with that cold rain in the 30s.

Probably going to be yet another 2 inch or so bust... I am hoping for an early spring, this winter BLOWS!

Based on what i see from Euro and even UKIE 12Z today is not what you want to see for sig snow. The ULL wants to go more northerly than easterly as it gets towards our longitude. When you see the ULL do this that is telling me the block isn't keeping this thing moving along off shore. It basically breaks down.

Hopefully this trends differently tomorrow and the ULL moves more east than north.

From my perspective though, I'd say anyone under route 80 is out of the game for this.

heehaw453 wrote:Based on what i see from Euro and even UKIE 12Z today is not what you want to see for sig snow.  The ULL wants to go more northerly than easterly as it gets towards our longitude.  When you see the ULL do this that is telling me the block isn't keeping this thing moving along off shore.  It basically breaks down.

Hopefully this trends differently tomorrow and the ULL moves more east than north.

From my perspective though, I'd say anyone under route 80 is out of the game for this.

so that keeps just north of nyc in the game by like 15 miles for me and North from there lol. I'll be pulling my hair on this one. Hopefully we can get spacing of more than i80 north. that is I want it further south of that i80 line.

Right now my nws forecast says quick snow to rain. And thanks for well wishes I'm.still a bit sluggish from the anesthesia yesterday but I'm good to go to work tomorrow. If I do not see snow can't bee too upset as it's not all that unexpected in this pattern we have. I'd prefer dry cuz I'm taking a trip to CT Friday night...will they have more of a shot at snow along the sound coast?

jmanley32 wrote:Right now my nws forecast says quick snow to rain. And thanks for well wishes I'm.still a bit sluggish from the anesthesia yesterday but I'm good to go to work tomorrow. If I do not see snow can't bee too upset as it's not all that unexpected in this pattern we have. I'd prefer dry cuz I'm taking a trip to CT Friday night...will they have more of a shot at snow along the sound coast?

Judge for yourself. No runs of the GFS have had any accumulation in eastern CT from this setup. This is todays 18Z GFS. On Todays GFS runs I've gone from 9 inches to 5 inches to now 1 inch. Who knows what tomorrow brings but Heehaw has been saying bad trends today.

If you want to see snow this weekend your best bet is the Catskills or visit Mikey in Albany and the hills 20 miles to his west.

Not expecting much even where I am in Saugerties! Elevation type setup looking likely, Boy I hate 30s and rain. Hope for better trends but not expecting them.

It's ok CP nothing I'm not used too. Looking forward to a relaxing weekend after all this medical crap. Let it snow or don't.

The only thing worse than cold/dry is cold with 33 degrees and rain. That is what Saturday is shaping up to be for most.

This 500mb vort map valid for Friday morning shows why our area will struggle to see snow. Those 2 'eye-like' features in the Midwest represent the northern stream energy. It actually comes in 2 separate vorts. Because they are already closed off, hence the round shape, the phase will occur WELL west of us back toward Chicago land. Normally this results in a cutter. However, this becomes an upper level low because of the PNA spike and blocking over Canada. The PNA spike is normally a good thing but there is a trough off the west coast crashing into the ridge which forces everything to slide east disrupting the flow.



Heights rise along the east coast and the ULL ends up tracking either over or just N&W of us. Unfortunately it is not a good set-up, but one worth watching for at least 1 more day especially N&W of NYC.

Frank_Wx wrote:The only thing worse than cold/dry is cold with 33 degrees and rain. That is what Saturday is shaping up to be for most.

did it not snow in DC when it was 70* out....lol