Central Park totals worse than ever.

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:March 14th 2017 storm summary - A+ for the Consevancy

7.6 inches in Central Park actually sounds about right for this storm when comparing it to all other surrounding areas.

I wonder if NOAA gave the Conservancy a well deserved tongue lashing after their other F ups this winter? More likely it is just the case of even a broken clock being correct twice a day.

Maybe for disaster relief FUNDING so, the big cheese bean counters wanted it right.

This is the second recent bigger storm they've gotten right. It's almost as if they've been under pressure from legal action filed by the inhabitants of some rogue cyber-island.

billg315 wrote:This is the second recent bigger storm they've gotten right. It's almost as if they've been under pressure from legal action filed by the inhabitants of some rogue cyber-island.

I should have given credit where credit was due.

docstox12 wrote:

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:

billg315 wrote:This is the second recent bigger storm they've gotten right. It's almost as if they've been under pressure from legal action filed by the inhabitants of some rogue cyber-island.

I should have given credit where credit was due.

If true, this will be one of the best achievements of my life maintaining and governing OTI, which led to the intimidation of the Conservancy!!!

"The fight for truth, justice, and the proper measuring way!"

Where'e the superman logo? You're slipping Doc.

I just sent this e-mail to Upton:

To whom it may concern,

With the winter winding down, I wanted to say that despite some of the tricky forecasts from the past week, you have all done a very good job regarding winter weather forecasting.  Central Park is currently at 30.2" for the season, which is quite remarkable given how warm much of the winter was.

There were two snow events from last January, however, that I, and many others, believe were under-measured at the Conservancy: January 7th and January 14th.

1) January 7th

The January 7th snow event featured temperatures in the low 20s, thus snowfall ratios were pretty high.  As of 4 PM, Central Park measured 4.3" of snow with 0.21" qpf, which is a snowfall ratio of over 20:1:

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLINYC&e=201701072151

Other surrounding snowfalls totals through 4 PM were similar:

https://twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/817852106648539142

From 4 PM to 7 PM, Central Park had recorded 0.10" qpf.  Since the cold air persisted throughout the storm, the ratios should have been pretty high, An additional 1-2" of snow, perhaps a bit more should have been added to the snow total.  However, the snow total went from 4.3" to 5.0", a 0.7" difference.  Meanwhile, during those three hours, Newark had 1.5", LaGuardia had 1.7" and JFK had 1.9."

The final snow total for CPK was 5.1", which came after 0.1" was added from 0.01" qpf.

2) January 14th

While the January 14th snow event was much lighter, it too carried a suspicious snowfall measurement.

Through 4 PM, Central Park had 0.6", Newark had 0.7", JFK had 0.6" and LaGuardia's had yet to be determined.

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLINYC&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLIEWR&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLIJFK&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLILGA&e=201701142147

While CPK had 0.04" qpf before 4 PM, it had 0.08" qpf after 4 PM, including 0.07" qpf before 7 PM.  During this time, temperatures were around 30 degrees.  In those three hours, Newark had. 0.6" and JFK had 1.0".  LaGuardia, which did not have a snow measurement earlier, had 0.6" of snow.  Yet Central Park's 7 PM measurement remained at 0.6".

https://twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/820426509731172353

This would be the final snow total for the Conservancy.  Using that logic, no measurable snow fell in Central Park when it was snowing steadily after sunset.

The snow totals from the rest of the snow events from the past winter seem to be okay.

The last couple of years, you have made some corrections to suspicious snowfall totals.  In March 2015, you updated snow totals from three snow events from the winter:

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=PNSOKX&e=201503241456

Also, last year, the suspicious 26.8" from the January 2016 blizzard was updated to 27.5."

http://www.noaa.gov/media-release/review-of-jan-2016-blizzard-preliminary-snow-totals-validates-dc-measurement

I praise your efforts to get the snow totals accurate.  I hope you look into the two aforementioned snow events.  

Mike

Math23x7 wrote:I just sent this e-mail to Upton:

To whom it may concern,

With the winter winding down, I wanted to say that despite some of the tricky forecasts from the past week, you have all done a very good job regarding winter weather forecasting.  Central Park is currently at 30.2" for the season, which is quite remarkable given how warm much of the winter was.

There were two snow events from last January, however, that I, and many others, believe were under-measured at the Conservancy: January 7th and January 14th.

1) January 7th

The January 7th snow event featured temperatures in the low 20s, thus snowfall ratios were pretty high.  As of 4 PM, Central Park measured 4.3" of snow with 0.21" qpf, which is a snowfall ratio of over 20:1:

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLINYC&e=201701072151

Other surrounding snowfalls totals through 4 PM were similar:

https://twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/817852106648539142

From 4 PM to 7 PM, Central Park had recorded 0.10" qpf.  Since the cold air persisted throughout the storm, the ratios should have been pretty high, An additional 1-2" of snow, perhaps a bit more should have been added to the snow total.  However, the snow total went from 4.3" to 5.0", a 0.7" difference.  Meanwhile, during those three hours, Newark had 1.5", LaGuardia had 1.7" and JFK had 1.9."

The final snow total for CPK was 5.1", which came after 0.1" was added from 0.01" qpf.

2) January 14th

While the January 14th snow event was much lighter, it too carried a suspicious snowfall measurement.

Through 4 PM, Central Park had 0.6", Newark had 0.7", JFK had 0.6" and LaGuardia's had yet to be determined.

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLINYC&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLIEWR&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLIJFK&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLILGA&e=201701142147

While CPK had 0.04" qpf before 4 PM, it had 0.08" qpf after 4 PM, including 0.07" qpf before 7 PM.  During this time, temperatures were around 30 degrees.  In those three hours, Newark had. 0.6" and JFK had 1.0".  LaGuardia, which did not have a snow measurement earlier, had 0.6" of snow.  Yet Central Park's 7 PM measurement remained at 0.6".

https://twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/820426509731172353

This would be the final snow total for the Conservancy.  Using that logic, no measurable snow fell in Central Park when it was snowing steadily after sunset.

The snow totals from the rest of the snow events from the past winter seem to be okay.

The last couple of years, you have made some corrections to suspicious snowfall totals.  In March 2015, you updated snow totals from three snow events from the winter:

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=PNSOKX&e=201503241456

Also, last year, the suspicious 26.8" from the January 2016 blizzard was updated to 27.5."

http://www.noaa.gov/media-release/review-of-jan-2016-blizzard-preliminary-snow-totals-validates-dc-measurement

I praise your efforts to get the snow totals accurate.  I hope you look into the two aforementioned snow events.  

Mike

Mike:

Excellent in every way, the detail, the tone, the logical explanation etc. As you know I sent a couple of letters back in Janurary regarding both of these events and got nowhere, not even a reply. If they change these two now all credit goes to you on this one. Nice job I hope they listen.

CP

Math23x7 wrote:I just sent this e-mail to Upton:

To whom it may concern,

With the winter winding down, I wanted to say that despite some of the tricky forecasts from the past week, you have all done a very good job regarding winter weather forecasting.  Central Park is currently at 30.2" for the season, which is quite remarkable given how warm much of the winter was.

There were two snow events from last January, however, that I, and many others, believe were under-measured at the Conservancy: January 7th and January 14th.

1) January 7th

The January 7th snow event featured temperatures in the low 20s, thus snowfall ratios were pretty high.  As of 4 PM, Central Park measured 4.3" of snow with 0.21" qpf, which is a snowfall ratio of over 20:1:

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLINYC&e=201701072151

Other surrounding snowfalls totals through 4 PM were similar:

https://twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/817852106648539142

From 4 PM to 7 PM, Central Park had recorded 0.10" qpf.  Since the cold air persisted throughout the storm, the ratios should have been pretty high, An additional 1-2" of snow, perhaps a bit more should have been added to the snow total.  However, the snow total went from 4.3" to 5.0", a 0.7" difference.  Meanwhile, during those three hours, Newark had 1.5", LaGuardia had 1.7" and JFK had 1.9."

The final snow total for CPK was 5.1", which came after 0.1" was added from 0.01" qpf.

2) January 14th

While the January 14th snow event was much lighter, it too carried a suspicious snowfall measurement.

Through 4 PM, Central Park had 0.6", Newark had 0.7", JFK had 0.6" and LaGuardia's had yet to be determined.

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLINYC&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLIEWR&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLIJFK&e=201701142147

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=CLILGA&e=201701142147

While CPK had 0.04" qpf before 4 PM, it had 0.08" qpf after 4 PM, including 0.07" qpf before 7 PM.  During this time, temperatures were around 30 degrees.  In those three hours, Newark had. 0.6" and JFK had 1.0".  LaGuardia, which did not have a snow measurement earlier, had 0.6" of snow.  Yet Central Park's 7 PM measurement remained at 0.6".

https://twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/820426509731172353

This would be the final snow total for the Conservancy.  Using that logic, no measurable snow fell in Central Park when it was snowing steadily after sunset.

The snow totals from the rest of the snow events from the past winter seem to be okay.

The last couple of years, you have made some corrections to suspicious snowfall totals.  In March 2015, you updated snow totals from three snow events from the winter:

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=PNSOKX&e=201503241456

Also, last year, the suspicious 26.8" from the January 2016 blizzard was updated to 27.5."

http://www.noaa.gov/media-release/review-of-jan-2016-blizzard-preliminary-snow-totals-validates-dc-measurement

I praise your efforts to get the snow totals accurate.  I hope you look into the two aforementioned snow events.  

Mike

Hey Math, just curious if they gave you any reply on this yet?

Still no reply. There was one time that I got a reply but it was not related to snow totals. It was regarding the fact that they removed almost all of the archived storm info from 2001-14 from their main page. I asked if it would be returning. Four days later I got a response saying that it unfortunately would not be done. At least we still have the text product Archive but it is without the maps.

In 2015 and 2016, the revised snow totals were released on March 24th and April 28th, respectively. I hope this gets done sooner rather than later (if at all). As Vic Dibitetto would say "HOWLONGIGOTTAWAIT" (followed by the look).

I just got a response!

Thanks Mike -

We'll look into this.

It's amazing that the seemingly simplest thing like measuring snow can be so difficult.

Appreciate your e-mail !!!

Jeff

Math23x7 wrote:I just got a response!

Thanks Mike -

We'll look into this.  

It's amazing that the seemingly simplest thing like measuring snow can be so difficult.  

Appreciate your e-mail !!!

Jeff

Hey Mike that's fantastic. The same guy I always got responses from always signed it Jeff. When he replied it was usually a good sign that something was going to get done. The little sarcastic comment at the end tells me it's the same guy because he would often vent his frustration at the Central Park Zoo and their inability to measure properly.

Great job, lets not enter those 2016/17 totals in the books yet. You may go from apprentice to master if you get this one changed.

Odd he never replied to me this season, I guess they had enough of me and needed a fresh face. Finally I can retire.

Well as of the 11:45 measurements the Conservancy (Central Park) has not reported any totals.

NYC has been under the most intense band for the last 3 hours and should be approaching 8-10 inches. I'm preparing for the mother of all undercounts. We shall see.

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:Well as of the 11:45 measurements the Conservancy (Central Park) has not reported any totals.

NYC has been under the most intense band for the last 3 hours and should be approaching 8-10 inches. I'm preparing for the mother of all undercounts. We shall see.

lol. They forgot to measure. They’re likely to take one measurement where the snow drifted away and call it 5.6”

Central Park 7.8 inches as of 1 PM update.

10 looking very possible. I'm not down there but it sounds like a fair measurement, maybe a tad low from the radar I've observed all day but close I suppose.

Anyone near there that can chime in?

5.2 at LGA at the same time, now that can't be right. If one gets it right the other F's it up. I realize it's windy but accurate measurements should not be this hard.

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:Central Park 7.8 inches as of 1 PM update.

10 looking very possible. I'm not down there but it sounds like a fair measurement, maybe a tad low from the radar I've observed all day but close I suppose.

Anyone near there that can chime in?

5.2 at LGA at the same time, now that can't be right. If one gets it right the other F's it up. I realize it's windy but accurate measurements should not be this hard.

These numbers, if accurate do interest me though. I got about 5.5" here. This would mean I really didn't get much different from NYC, which is odd because at no point did I appear to be under any bands as intense as what they had. Now if those numbers go up to say 8-10" that would make more sense. Otherwise there is now way I should be in the ballpark with them.

billg315 wrote:

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:Central Park 7.8 inches as of 1 PM update.

10 looking very possible. I'm not down there but it sounds like a fair measurement, maybe a tad low from the radar I've observed all day but close I suppose.

Anyone near there that can chime in?

5.2 at LGA at the same time, now that can't be right. If one gets it right the other F's it up. I realize it's windy but accurate measurements should not be this hard.

These numbers, if accurate do interest me though. I got about 5.5" here. This would mean I really didn't get much different from NYC, which is odd because at no point did I appear to be under any bands as intense as what they had. Now if those numbers go up to say 8-10" that would make more sense. Otherwise there is now way I should be in the ballpark with them.

Come on Bill, did you really have to throw in the if accurate. You and I both know their not, especially the LGA one, it's laughable.

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:

billg315 wrote:

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:Central Park 7.8 inches as of 1 PM update.

10 looking very possible. I'm not down there but it sounds like a fair measurement, maybe a tad low from the radar I've observed all day but close I suppose.

Anyone near there that can chime in?

5.2 at LGA at the same time, now that can't be right. If one gets it right the other F's it up. I realize it's windy but accurate measurements should not be this hard.

These numbers, if accurate do interest me though. I got about 5.5" here. This would mean I really didn't get much different from NYC, which is odd because at no point did I appear to be under any bands as intense as what they had. Now if those numbers go up to say 8-10" that would make more sense. Otherwise there is now way I should be in the ballpark with them.

Come on Bill, did you really have to throw in the if accurate. You and I both know their not, especially the LGA one, it's laughable.

lol, I was being charitable. I'm giving them a chance to say they were using a broken ruler or something.

billg315 wrote:

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:

billg315 wrote:

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:Central Park 7.8 inches as of 1 PM update.

10 looking very possible. I'm not down there but it sounds like a fair measurement, maybe a tad low from the radar I've observed all day but close I suppose.

Anyone near there that can chime in?

5.2 at LGA at the same time, now that can't be right. If one gets it right the other F's it up. I realize it's windy but accurate measurements should not be this hard.

These numbers, if accurate do interest me though. I got about 5.5" here. This would mean I really didn't get much different from NYC, which is odd because at no point did I appear to be under any bands as intense as what they had. Now if those numbers go up to say 8-10" that would make more sense. Otherwise there is now way I should be in the ballpark with them.

Come on Bill, did you really have to throw in the if accurate. You and I both know their not, especially the LGA one, it's laughable.

lol, I was being charitable. I'm giving them a chance to say they were using a broken ruler or something.

LGA must have hired the old zookepper, it's the only explanation. When the park is only 2-3 inches low it's like a victory.

4PM Updates

Central Park still at 7.8 inches, so apparently there was no snow between one and 4 o'clock there despite the healthy looking radar part of that time.

LaGuardia still at 5.2 inches but Newark comes in with the final tally of 12.7.

I'm starting to think it's all just a big game with these guys and they really are trying to mess with my head. It's working.

Just before 4 PM, I went to Central Park to measure the snow. I had just gotten out of work and to prevent any interference, I avoided all qpf and snow totals today up to that point. So I had no idea what the 1 PM measurement was nor did I know the total pqf. It was a struggle to fins a spot for four reasons: 1) Trees over much of the Park, 2) People (especially kids) walked throughout the Park today which prevent an accurate measurement on the pathways, 3) Much of the pavement areas had been either plowed or shoveled, and 4) A lot of blowing and drifting. Also, while going through the Park, my iPhone ran out of power (when it's in the cold, it runs out fast) which prevented me from giving video evidence.

I eventually went over to Belvedere Castle (which for many years has been where CPK's non-snow related weather measurements take place). There was an area which was mostly untouched, was not under trees, and was no exposed to the winds like much of the park. As I placed my ruler into various locations there, all of them were consistently just over nine inches of snow. Some just over nine inches, some near 9.5". As I mentioned, my camera was not working. Then I saw I sign next to the Castle which brought up the Conservancy. Yes, I was in the zone where the Conservancy is. Unfortunately, I had no way of knowing exactly where they take snow measurements, nor did I see anyone who works for the Conservancy.

I then got back to my apartment and saw both the qpf and the snow totals as of 1 PM for the NWS stations. As of 1 PM, CPK had 7.8" of snow with 0.64" qpf, making for a 12.1875:1 ratio. From 1 PM to 4 PM, CPK had 0.11" qpf. Using this and the ratio, that would be ~1.3" of snow. 7.8+1.3 = 9.1" of snow. Keep in mind that it was still snowing when I took the measurement.

Bottom line: If CPK's snow total is less than 9", It would be flatout wrong. I went there myself it needs to be at least nine inches!!!

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:4PM Updates

Central Park still at 7.8 inches, so apparently there was no snow between one and 4 o'clock there despite the healthy looking radar part of that time.

LaGuardia still at 5.2 inches but Newark comes in with the final tally of 12.7.

I'm starting to think it's all just a big game with these guys and they really are trying to mess with my head. It's working.

The 7.8" is still as of 1 PM

I think they will measure again at 7pm. Which of course won't be the most accurate. We'll see what happens. Really surprised at LGA though.

Math23x7 wrote:

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:4PM Updates

Central Park still at 7.8 inches, so apparently there was no snow between one and 4 o'clock there despite the healthy looking radar part of that time.

LaGuardia still at 5.2 inches but Newark comes in with the final tally of 12.7.

I'm starting to think it's all just a big game with these guys and they really are trying to mess with my head. It's working.

The 7.8" is still as of 1 PM

I know Mike but it was 7.8 on their 4PM climate update and the 1 PM. I'm hopeful the 7 PM is somewhere near 10 inches as per your verification.

Good job in the park today. U da man.

A report under 10 inches would be completely inaccurate. I live in midtown west and had at least 7 inches on the small sliver of a window sill of my apartment window when I got home from work at about 1:00 PM - 8 floors up. This doesn't account for any snow that was blown off of said window sill due to the strong winds. There was another 2 hours of moderate to heavy snowfall after I got home. I'm obviously only guesstimating based on walking across the street to the bodega a bit ago, but I'd say 11-12 inches fell today.

Just venting my frustrations with their measurements as well. Unfortunately I don't have definitive and accurate measurements I can provide.

Public Information Statement
Spotter Reports
National Weather Service New York NY
354 PM EST Thu Jan 04 2018

The following are unofficial observations taken during the past 3
hours for the storm that has been affecting our region. Appreciation
is extended to highway departments, cooperative observers, Skywarn
spotters and media for these reports. This summary also is available
on our home page at weather.gov/nyc

********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL********************

LOCATION          STORM TOTAL     TIME/DATE   COMMENTS
                    SNOWFALL           OF
                    /INCHES/   MEASUREMENT

CONNECTICUT

...Fairfield County...
  Stratford             13.2   308 PM  1/04  Public
  Monroe                13.0   307 PM  1/04  Public
  Wilton                10.5   257 PM  1/04  Newspaper
  New Canaan            10.4   315 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Weston                10.2   150 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Ridgefield             9.0   215 PM  1/04  Public
  Bridgeport Airport     8.0   100 PM  1/04  Co-Op Observer
  Bethel                 7.5   115 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Brookfield             6.4   115 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS

...Middlesex County...
  Killingworth           8.0   147 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter

...New Haven County...
  Branford              12.5   230 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Seymour               12.0   324 PM  1/04  Public
  Milford               11.6   120 PM  1/04  Public
  Cheshire              11.4   328 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  North Haven           10.0   315 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Bethany                9.5   115 PM  1/04  Public
  Northford              8.7   108 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  East Wallingford       8.5   105 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Southbury              8.0   100 PM  1/04  Fire Dept/Rescue

...New London County...
  Ledyard Center        10.5   313 PM  1/04  Public
  Gales Ferry            8.5   247 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Norwich                8.5   200 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
  Stonington             8.0   209 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
  2 SSE Shewville        8.0   315 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter

NEW JERSEY

...Bergen County...
  Haworth                8.1   315 PM  1/04  Public
  Westwood               6.2   120 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Rutherford             5.5   100 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
  Ridgewood              5.5   300 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Hasbrouck Heights      4.5   100 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
  Montvale               4.0  1255 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio

...Hudson County...
  Hoboken                8.8   346 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter

...Passaic County...
  Pompton Lakes          3.0   100 PM  1/04  Emergency Manager

...Union County...
  Newark Airport         6.6   100 PM  1/04  FAA Observer

NEW YORK

...Bronx County...
  Bedford Park          11.2   330 PM  1/04  Public
  Morris Park           10.1   250 PM  1/04  Public

...Kings County...
  Brooklyn              11.5   219 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
  Borough Park           9.0   300 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
  Fort Hamilton          7.1   100 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS

...Nassau County...
  Baldwin               15.1   245 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
  Carle Place           13.7   230 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
  Jericho               12.0   346 PM  1/04  Public
  Old Brookville         8.0   309 PM  1/04  Public
  Glen Head              8.0   146 PM  1/04  Fire Dept/Rescue

...New York County...
  Stuyvesant Town        9.0   100 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
  Manhattan              9.0   210 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
  Central Park           7.8   100 PM  1/04  Park Conservancy
  Greenwich Village      6.0   305 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS

...Orange County...
  Salisbury Mills        8.0   329 PM  1/04  Public
  Monroe                 7.5   301 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Vails Gate             6.0   241 PM  1/04  Public
  Mount Hope             4.0   110 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter

...Queens County...
  Queens                13.6   316 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
  Rego Park             12.0   315 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Little Neck            9.5   344 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Rego Park              8.0   100 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
  Flushing               7.5   258 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Whitestone             7.3   230 PM  1/04  Amateur Radio
  NYC/JFK Airport        6.2   100 PM  1/04  FAA Observer
  NYC/LaGuardia Airpor   5.2   103 PM  1/04  FAA Observer

...Richmond County...
  Great Kills           10.0   345 PM  1/04  Public

...Rockland County...
  Nyack                  7.0   247 PM  1/04  Public
  Spring Valley          5.0   310 PM  1/04  Public

...Suffolk County...
  Sayville              14.6   343 PM  1/04  Public
  Islip Airport         13.6   100 PM  1/04  FAA Observer
  Patchogue             12.5   259 PM  1/04  NWS Employee
  Commack               12.4   330 PM  1/04  Public
  Medford               12.3   115 PM  1/04  Co-Op Observer
  Mattituck             11.7   315 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  South Huntington      11.6   246 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Calverton             11.0   150 PM  1/04  Co-Op Observer
  Saint James           10.7   200 PM  1/04  Public
  North Babylon         10.6   100 PM  1/04  Public
  Farmingville          10.5   242 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Ridge                  8.2   304 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS

...Westchester County...
  Larchmont              9.5   230 PM  1/04  Public
  Yonkers                9.3   327 PM  1/04  Public
  Armonk                 8.5   207 PM  1/04  CoCoRaHS
  Mount Kisco            8.0   302 PM  1/04  Trained Spotter
  Ardsley                7.5   300 PM  1/04  Public

No 7PM update yet.

Still stuck at 7.8 inches in CPK, 5.2 at LGA, and 6.4 at JFK, but Newark has 12.7 and Manhattan was under the heavier bands all day. Losing hope here.

By the time they report accurately, if they ever do, the whole world will think NYC received 5.2 to 7.8 inches of snow when we all know it's 10-12 inches around the city.

I've asked the question till I'm blue in the face, but what is so hard about accurately measuring snow? More importantly why does it bother me so much? Always has and always will.