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Post by docstox12 Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:00 pm

SNOW MAN wrote:
CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:Today now makes 33 consecutive days of above normal temperatures. We have now shattered the old record of 31.
To reiterate that’s 33 consecutive days above 1991-2020 averages which are the highest averages recorded in 153 years of record keeping.

Hurray for us.

NYC now owns the longest snowless streak of any winter in recorded history.

The hits just keep on coming.

I know where this phrase came from. The movie A Few Good Men. A great flick. My wife and I must have watched it over 100 times.

Welcome back, SNOW, you may have been gone but never forgotten!

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Post by docstox12 Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:01 pm

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
SNOW MAN wrote:
CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:Today now makes 33 consecutive days of above normal temperatures. We have now shattered the old record of 31.
To reiterate that’s 33 consecutive days above 1991-2020 averages which are the highest averages recorded in 153 years of record keeping.

Hurray for us.

NYC now owns the longest snowless streak of any winter in recorded history.

The hits just keep on coming.

I know where this phrase came from. The movie A Few Good Men. A great flick. My wife and I must have watched it over 100 times.

party  savior  savior  savior  bananadude

The Legend returns, and ironically on THE DAY the OTI pledge of allegiance was updated and your name was omitted.

Uncanny, it's like you sensed something after almost a year of darkness.

Your magic my good man,knows no bounds with SNOW posting and the amazing things going on at OTI.

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Post by docstox12 Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:31 pm

It's official:

https://nwschat.weather.gov/p.php?pid=202301301410-KOKX-NOUS41-PNSOKX

And it is horrible.
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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:28 pm

Yes Doc it is official and expected at least in the record books.

However I did have a conversation with a local Met today who reminded me that both Newark and LaGuardia recorded measurable snow on December 11th and right in between in Central Park they decided not to measure, what a shock. So yes it goes into the books as the record but in reality it probably isn’t.

Of course the record consecutive days above normal streak also continues. Everyday since December 28th has been above normal, mostly way above normal. That’s 34 days in a row now shattering the old record of 31 days.

The month of January 2023 can now become the first month in recorded history to have every single day above normal. We will wait until midnight tomorrow to see, it will be close.

Many other wonderful records about to be broken. The longest snowless streak in NYC history is within days now of being broken and the warmest January in history is also still on the table. We have to see how tomorrows averages shake out.

For those wondering when this ends, wonder no more. If you look to the OTI thread the epic poem of Orange Othelia written in the early 1700’s has quite a track record regarding winter predictions hundreds of years in advance. It nailed the first two months of this year and depending on whether the ground hog Orange Othelia sees her shadow or not on Thursday will determine whether or not NYC sees any snow this season.

The sample below is several lines from the Epic poem regarding this years weather. I didn't see any long range forecasts coming close to this.

“And in the year with a 20 a 2 and a 3
If Othelia sees no shadow, great grief there will be
In the big city south, at the bottom of the state
For those that love snow, there’s a horrible fate
There will be no snow, in Wall or in Wing
Not until seasons, have turned into Spring
When April arrives, so will the snow
Like an unwelcome understudy, in a Broadway show
For four months of Wall, followed by Wing
Nothing white will fall, not one single thing
But April will bring, a blizzard so rare
Bald men will wish, their heads had some hair
For one glorious day, the snow will be deep
The nerds in the forums, will lose lots of sleep
But as it is April, the snow will melt quickly
It will make the snow lovers, quite pale and sickly
Four months of waiting, and it’s gone in a day
Like a tragic ending, to a Shakespearean play”


Written almost 300 years ago and so far has nailed the first two months, amazing.

Wake up people and start looking at legends and superstitions to predict your weather, all of this science is a waste of time. In my humble opinion of course.
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Post by heehaw453 Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:21 am

On 2/1/2023 CPK ended the deepest into a season before measurable snowfall was recorded, .4" fell ending the shutout. The previous record was 1/29/1973 when 1.8" of snow fell.

January 2023 was only the fourth time since record keeping began in 1869 that no measurable snowfall was recorded in CPK. Previous years were 1890,1933,2008.

Also January 2023 was the warmest January on record at CPK.  43.5 average temperature which is .3 above 1932 43.2.

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:15 pm

In addition to the record-breaking warm statistics for January 2023 in NYC that Heehaw posted above I’ll throw in a couple of more.

Today ended a streak of 35 consecutive days of above normal temperatures. The far majority of those days were way above normal. This shatters the old record of 31.

January also set the record for the highest minimum during the month of 28, the previous record was 25.

As Heehaw already noted January goes in the record books as the warmest January since records have been kept (1869).

What is also interesting, and more than a little unsettling, is that January became the sixth month since 2015 to set a new all time record for average temperature.
Since 2015 January, February, September, October, November and December have set all time records for highest average temperature for the month. December 2015 shattered the record by almost 7 degrees.

The funny thing is I don’t need science, math or arguments about how or why. I’ve observed weather my whole life and it’s getting warmer and it has been for years, decades in fact, and it’s not just happening here.

Hopefully Othelia saves Wing tomorrow. We shall see.
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Post by phil155 Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:30 am

I guess I will not have to worry about getting up early to shovel snow which is not all bad as I am getting older

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Post by docstox12 Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:40 am

I wanted to post data that verifies areas North and West of the City always had more snow.These are from the NY Daily News Weather Almanac in the early-mid 1960s published each year by J.Henry Weber Meteorologist, cost about 25 cents a copy back then.

Winter 1960-1961: N.Y.City---54.7
Albany----72.7
Liberty---138.00

Winter 1961-1962---N.Y.City----18.1
Albany-----62.6
Port Jervis-36.3

Winter 1962-1963--N.Y.City---16.3
Albany---71.3
Port Jervis--51.0

Winter 1964-1965--N.Y.City--24.4
Albany--45.8
Port Jervis---31.2
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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:56 am

Hey Doc good stats.

The difference in the 2000’s and early to mid 2010’s was parts of LI and NNJ were almost getting as much as us some winters. I never had a problem with it. When we were getting our 65-80 inch seasons in the 2010’s and parts of NNJ and LI were getting 50-70 inches it’s all good. The more the merrier we just get our totals many times in different ways. Plus we do keep it around a lot longer. Although I don’t see this current one sticking around for too long. Not with temperature near 50 Thursday and Friday.

Back to OTI I think I already caused a dry slot to form over Highland Mills just by visiting the Mainland.


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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:58 am

https://www.weather.gov/source/crh/snowmap.html?sid=aly

Totals from Upstate NY, Vermont and Western Massachusetts from yesterday. Some of them prolific and a couple just downright incorrect, yet they posted them.

43 inches in Beacon NY right across the Hudson river from Newburgh and at elevation approx 150 feet? I'm gonna call them out on that one. Either that or they were under a micro death band all night and no one reported on this first time weather anomaly.
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Post by heehaw453 Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:32 am

The futility of 2022/23 is certain enough that I feel quite comfortable posting this. Of course if Mother Nature decides to change things I will adjust. There are many stations on the EC that are very close albeit slightly over their lowest snowfalls in recorded history.

Snowfall Records
Atlantic City 
New record .3" old record .4" 1972/73
PHL 
Ties record of least measurable snowfall at .3" which was as recent as 2019/20
BWI 
New record .2 inches old record .7 1949/50 (records go back to 1894)
IAD (Dulles) 
New record .4" old record 2.2" 1972/73
Bridgeport 
New record 4.9" old record 8.2" 1972/73
CPK 
New record 2.3" old record 2.8" 1972/73 (records go back to 1869)


Temp comparison of 1972/73 to 2022/23 at CPK
1972 December 38.5
1973 January 35.5
1973 February 32.5


2022 December 38.5 Same 
2023 January 43.5 8 warmer All TIME January Record
2023 February 41.1 8.6 warmer 3rd Warmest February


AO Fact
First time in CPK since AO values have been kept (1950s) that with at least one <= -4 sigma value in a winter month DJF (December this case) there was no measurable snowfall. 

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Post by heehaw453 Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:04 pm

Second time in recorded history that CPK will only have measurable snowfall in one month (February) for a given season. The only other such instance was 2001/2002 where January was the only month for measurable snowfall. 

Let's compare the two seasons w.r.t. temps/snowfall facets.
2001/2002 vs. 2022/2023

First measurable snowfall
January 7 - February 1 (latest ever)

Total snowfall
3.5" (third lowest recorded) - 2.3" (lowest recorded)

Temps
D/J/F 
44.1/39.9/40.6 (December second warmest recorded) - 38.5/43.5/41.1 (January warmest on record & February 3rd warmest recorded)

edit: Wrong on my part as CPK had measurable snow in February and March 7 (.1"). Nonetheless 2001-02 might best analog.

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Post by heehaw453 Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:36 pm

It's becoming very likely that for the 3rd time in the last 135 years Boston is going to record < 10" of seasonal snowfall. Combing the last season's total 12.4" and this year 9.7" yields 22.1" of snow in two consecutive seasons. The previous lowest consecutive seasonal snowfalls recorded there was 34.8" 1979-80 (12.5") & 1980-81 (22.3")

It's becoming almost a certainty that Central Park will record consecutive < 10" snowfall seasons for the first time since record keeping began over 150 years ago. Certainly the accuracy of their measurements is suspect, but nonetheless it's rather incredible. So last two seasons combine for 10" 2.3 & 7.7 respectively. The previous lowest consecutive seasonal snowfalls recorded there was 15.5" 1996-97 (5.5") & 1997-98 (10").

Very impressive futility we are experiencing w.r.t. to snowfall on the I-95. Unprecedented or damn close in recorded history.

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Post by heehaw453 Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:28 am

heehaw453 wrote:It's becoming very likely that for the 3rd time in the last 135 years Boston is going to record < 10" of seasonal snowfall. Combing the last season's total 12.4" and this year 9.7" yields 22.1" of snow in two consecutive seasons. The previous lowest consecutive seasonal snowfalls recorded there was 34.8" 1979-80 (12.5") & 1980-81 (22.3")

It's becoming almost a certainty that Central Park will record consecutive < 10" snowfall seasons for the first time since record keeping began over 150 years ago. Certainly the accuracy of their measurements is suspect, but nonetheless it's rather incredible. So last two seasons combine for 10" 2.3 & 7.7 respectively. The previous lowest consecutive seasonal snowfalls recorded there was 15.5" 1996-97 (5.5") & 1997-98 (10").

Very impressive futility we are experiencing w.r.t. to snowfall on the I-95. Unprecedented or damn close in recorded history.

This will hold for both stations. Boston recorded another .1" for seasonal snowfall of 9.8". Incredible a pretty much 1 in 50 years kind of futility there. I'm pretty sure if this occurs again next season a lot of eye brows will raise MUCH further. I could see a big seasonal total there next year, but we'll see...

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