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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:30 am

Let's start it off with a bang, please.


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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:27 am

Winter storm watch Orange County NY and western Passaic county In NJ.

ITS A start. Let’s see if it expands South and west. Still a ton of uncertainty with this one.
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Post by dkodgis Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:34 pm

I believe this upcoming week is a chance for more snow, yes?
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Post by frank 638 Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:10 pm

I hope so i just want one more snow storm a monster of course . If not bring on the spring bring on baseball bring on the Yankees

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:53 pm

@frank 638 wrote:I hope so i just want one more snow storm a monster of course . If not bring on the spring bring on baseball bring on the Yankees

Thumbs up to the snow storm and the Yankees.
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Post by jmanley32 Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:30 am

snow please!
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Post by billg315 Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:44 am

35* with sun through some high clouds. And most importantly, no crazy wind gusts. Going to go collect garbage cans in my backyard, and hopefully no roofing material or drain spouts.
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Post by weatherwatchermom Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:01 am

currently 35 and winds are at 20 mph from the north
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Post by Frank_Wx Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:22 am

Glad winds are settling. A lot of damage around here. Chilly 37 degrees at the moment

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:10 pm

37 degrees at noon, 8 inches of snow otg, looking like the first week of March is supposed to look like.

I know the planets warming but many referring to March as a spring month and looking forward to warm weather is just not the way it's suppose to be.

Thank God last weeks freakish warmth is done for the foreseeable future.
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Post by jmanley32 Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:35 pm

It's still pretty Gusty here at times enough to get the street lights swinging pretty good but not damaging. Lots of street lights out in intersections and trees down some big. Traffic all over hate traffic on a sat. Hoping we see snow and decent winds on wed but not winds like yesterday too many people suffering in dark possibly for quite a while per coned. Sad a 11 year old was killed in Westchester when a tree split their house. I think that was only fatality from this storm but sad nonetheless
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Post by docstox12 Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:34 pm

Great to have a snowpack back and colder temps with another possible snowstorm on the way.As CP said, THIS is what March should look like!Recompense for that God awful record breaking warm February.
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Post by sroc4 Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:13 pm

Eastern sections may have to watch for an IVT for Monday. A lot of instability will be overhead. Check out the NAM.

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Post by sroc4 Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:14 pm

It has H5 closing off

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Post by dkodgis Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:58 am

Doc, up county, zilch for snow. Nothing. Send some my way, please.

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Post by docstox12 Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:04 pm

@dkodgis wrote:Doc, up county, zilch for snow. Nothing. Send some my way, please.

Your good neighbor,
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Damian, you're welcome to as much as you want.Just got back from a drive to the Bergen Mall Paramus, NJ.Once you cross into Jersey from Route 17, there is nothing on the ground at all.I still don't understand how you guys up there did not get 8 or 9 inches.It was a weird storm to say the least.
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Post by aiannone Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:31 pm

Flooding in Port Jefferson, LI Friday
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Post by billg315 Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:40 pm

@aiannone wrote:Flooding in Port Jefferson, LI Friday
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This looks like what I woke up to in Sea Isle this morning (pics in Banter thread).
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Post by aiannone Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:12 am

Steady light snow. Dusting on the cars and driveway March Observations and Discussions C972d810
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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:49 am

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:15 am

I was mentioning last night how  people have to measure as soon as the snow finishes to avoid bad totals from compression of the snow overnight.

Just to give an idea my snow depth was 26.5 inches last night and compressed in just 8 hours overnight with temperatures in the 20's so no melting was involved down to 23.5 inches depth this morning.

That's 3 inches of depth lost in 8 hours just from the heavy snow compressing on itself. It's just part of the cycle and what I expected but thought I'd post the results.
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Post by billg315 Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:21 am

This is a good science opportunity. So with temps in 20s we know there was no melting. You lost 3” in compaction in 8 hours. That means the avg. rate of compaction is .375” per hour. I will refer back to this in the future if a situation arises where I can’t go out and measure at night and must measure several hours later. I’ll trust Mike to help me find this post.
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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:28 am

@billg315 wrote:This is a good science opportunity. So with temps in 20s we know there was no melting. You lost 3” in compaction in 8 hours. That means the avg. rate of compaction is .375” per hour. I will refer back to this in the future if a situation arises where I can’t go out and measure at night and must measure several hours later. I’ll trust Mike to help me find this post.

Bill. I believe the compression rate is highest during the first several hours. I will do the same thing tonight when it's below freezing to see. My thoughts are it will be less so. Some of it also depends on the consistency of the snow. Drier snows fill in the gaps once they finish and compress because of their fluff factor, for lack of a better term, and the wet snows compress more from their weight since there are less gaps to fill.

I will post tonights results tomorrow. It might even warrant t's own thread for the four other people other than you, Mike, doc and myself that might actually find this interesting.
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Post by Guest Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:43 am

Woke up to 33 degrees. Compacted white concrete of 5.5"

storm total 9" (screw NOAA and their stupid rules)

Season total 41"

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Post by billg315 Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:45 am

@CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
@billg315 wrote:This is a good science opportunity. So with temps in 20s we know there was no melting. You lost 3” in compaction in 8 hours. That means the avg. rate of compaction is .375” per hour. I will refer back to this in the future if a situation arises where I can’t go out and measure at night and must measure several hours later. I’ll trust Mike to help me find this post.

Bill. I believe the compression rate is highest during the first several hours. I will do the same thing tonight when it's below freezing to see. My thoughts are it will be less so. Some of it also depends on the consistency of the snow. Drier snows fill in the gaps once they finish and compress because of their fluff factor, for lack of a better term, and the wet snows compress more from their weight since there are less gaps to fill.

I will post tonights results tomorrow. It might even warrant t's own thread for the four other people other than you, Mike, doc and myself that might actually find this interesting.
Yes very good points. Amount and wetness of snow could impact on the rate. I would believe the compression would be greatest in the hours immediately after as it can only compact so much. These will have to be accounted for as well.
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