Re: Mets 2015 Season

by **Math23x7** Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:20 pm

"Second and third and nobody out and [the Mets] do not score". How many times has Gary Cohen said this over the years? I've lost track of it. But that has been there main problem for awhile now. Sad

by **Math23x7** Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:29 am

Math23x7 wrote:"Second and third and nobody out and [the Mets] do not score". How many times has Gary Cohen said this over the years? I've lost track of it. But that has been there main problem for awhile now.

LOL I said this after the Mets offense came up empty in the top of the 5th down 1-0 and then in the 6th, they began scoring runs to win 6-2. Harvey wins for the first time in over a month and Familia records a five-out save once again.

Now we wait and hear how serious Murphy's injury is. Given the reputation of the Mets medical staff, it would not surprise me if it is a season-ending injury... Sad

by **docstox12** Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:31 am

With all these injuries, it's "amazing" they are in first place.Sadly, Murph was just getting going.They said it was a "tight quad" whatever the hell that means.At games I was at in Citi, pre-game Murph is always stretching out on the field.Notice a lot of other guys don't bother.Anyway,D'Arnaud and Herrera should be back soon.If Niese blows another game, I would bring up Matz to give him a shot at Niese's next start.

by **docstox12** Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:12 am

http://www.wsj.com/articles/mets-swap-infielders-in-bid-to-improve-defense-1433469332?ru=yahoo?mod=yahoo_itp

Well, here's the crappy news about Danny, "a trip to the disabled list appears likely.," Great, just when he was tearing the cover off the ball hitting 283.If there was a "Boston Curse" then the Mets have an "injury curse" that has plagued them for years.I don't know the reason or the solution but it sure bites the big one.I think Keith had mentioned these guys today are addicted to weight training and I wonder if that's the cause.The "out of shape" ballplayers in the 50's and 60's did not get injured at this rate.

With Danny out, were stuck with Campbell 0 for 27 at third.Hopefully Herrera gets back soon at second, Flores at shortstop and Tejada at third.Forget Wright, it'll take weeks to get him back and weeks for his timing to return.D'Arnaud's return should improve the hitting.

I don't always agree with Collins but I really feel bad for him trying to jury rig a defense and lineup with all these injuries.Gotta give him credit plus the pitching staff for us still being in contention for the NL East.

by **Dunnzoo** Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:23 am

If we can just take care of the pitching messes of Gee and Niese, we would be in better shape, they are giving up way too many runs....need to make a deal for help...

by **Snow88** Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:57 am

Mets are shopping around the both of them

by **CPcantmeasuresnow** Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:26 am

Snow88 wrote:Mets are shopping around the both of them

Yes they should both net quite a catch.

I hear one team already offered a 40th round draft pick and a dozen baseballs.

by **docstox12** Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:56 pm

Ummm, slumming on the Mets Board I see.I never bother going on the Yankee Board, it's an enemy team in an enemy division.I will deign to waste my time if we are playing them.Perhaps you should follow my lead!

Incidentally, you are absolutely right about Niese and Gee,LOL!Should have shopped them at the end of last year.

by **CPcantmeasuresnow** Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:04 pm

docstox12 wrote:Ummm, slumming on the Mets Board I see.I never bother going on the Yankee Board, it's an enemy team in an enemy division.I will deign to waste my time if we are playing them.Perhaps you should follow my lead!

Incidentally, you are absolutely right about Niese and Gee,LOL!Should have shopped them at the end of last year.

Blame Snow88 he started it. I told him Met fans should stay on Met boards and vise versa. He wouldn't listen.

by **Dunnzoo** Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:07 pm

Play nice kids! Both teams have issues, so as long as we keep it civil, debate away!

by **docstox12** Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:36 pm

Don't worry, Dunz, just some kidding between NY Fans. For CP and Frank I wish the Yanks the best.....except when they play us of course!

I keep up with all teams but concentrate on the Mets and their neverending troubles.

by **Math23x7** Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:31 am

What can I say another brutal loss for my beloved New York Mets. Let's be honest, the Mets desperately need Wright and Murphy even though I do not see them coming back anytime soon (if they even come back at all!). Even though I have widely criticized David Wright over the years for being un-clutch (I still can't get over his strikeout with Murphy at 3rd and nobody out in the bottom of the 9th inning in a tie game against the Cubs on September 24th, 2008 during the Mets 2nd collapse), Eric Campbell is nowhere near as good as Wright is. He looked good in the days after Wright went down but the league has adjusted to him and he couldn't get the job done with the bases loaded tonight. Travis D'Arnaud is another player the Mets need to come back. Given the Mets reputation, it would not surprise me if even HE is out for the season.

Flashback to 2009, the inaugural season at Citi Field. After a so-so April, the Mets went on to win seven straight games, four of them against the Braves and Phillies. They looked like a good team being in first place in their division. Then Carlos Delgado got injured and had hip surgery sidelining him for what turned out to be the rest of the year and then Jose Reyes went down. Immediately after Reyes went down, the Mets went 7-2 to end May, which included an epic comeback against Jonathan Pabelbon on an Omir Santos home run and at the end of the Month they were 28-21 looking decent. Once the month of June came, however, opposing teams were able to just to the replacement players' batting styles. Not only that, the Mets were losing in heartbreaking fashion, particularly when Luis Castillo dropped the popup at Yankee Stadium. Also that June, Carlos Beltran went down with an injury! The Mets did take three out of four from the Cardinals immediately after he was put on the DL, but the depleted roster couldn't hold on any longer as they got swept by the Yankees at Citi Field (which featured Mariano Rivera not only getting his 500th career save but also WALKING WITH BASES LOADED OFF KROD! ) As bad as the Mets were during that stretch, the Phillies were also doing terrible. The Phils were 4-14 from June 12th to July 2nd so the Mets were only one game back in the Division. Then they face each other. The Mets got swept and continued their slump while the Phillies caught fire. The Mets finished the season at 70-92, 22 games behind the Rockies for the Wild Card and 23 games behind the Phillies for the division. Finally, the cross town rival Yankees would beat the Phillies in the World Series, a series which divided Mets fans over which team to root for.

One thing about those injuries, especially to Jose Reyes: It seemed every week we would hear about he was making attempts to come back and that soon afterwards he would have another setback and then in the late week of the season, we learned he needed surgery over a torn hamstring. We kind of heard the same this year with Wright in the weeks after he left the game in mid-April only to find out over five weeks later about his serious spinal stenosis. And now, we keep hearing about how D'arnaud has been been trying to come back since he got hit by the pitch in April. I just wonder about those.

Back in 2009 when the injuries mounted, Mets fan like myself wanted then Mets GM Omar Minaya to make a trade for big hitters. Looking back, I don't think there was anything he could do given the Mets not-so-decent farm system. Now, there is no doubt that the Mets need some offense. But what do they have to give up? I would not trade Harvey, deGrom, Familia, Syndergaard, or Matz. Some Met fans would like to see Niese and/or Gee be included in the trade but keep this in mind: Jon Niese is in the 4th year of his 5 year contract. He makes $7 million this year, $9 million next year and for 2017 and 2018 he has a club option and a $500K buyout each of those two years (If not, its $10 million in 2017 and $11 million in 2018). As for Dillon Gee, he is currently on a 1 year, $5.3 million contract. He is eligible for arbitration in 2016 and becomes a free agent in 2017. With that kind of money they're making and with their value so low, how can they trade them?

If current Mets GM Sandy Alderson can't get big hitters without giving up the five pitchers I mentioned, then I think that in the coming weeks, the Mets will fall out of contention. They cannot be expected to get any run production with their current lineup. Now despite one bad pitch by Colon tonight, he still pitched decently. If he continues to pitch well over the next few weeks, I think the Mets will try and trade him to a playoff contender in exchange for hitting prospects. Also, they would be able to shut down Harvey when he reaches his innings limit. Finally, I would really look forward to Matz coming up and making a few starts as he deserves it after pitching for AAA-Las Vegas. Next year when Wheeler comes back, I would like to see a rotation of Harvey, deGrom, Wheeler, Syndergaard, and Matz, with Niese making spot starts when necessary.

Don't get me wrong, I am a big Mets fan that wants to see them win the World Series, which they haven't in my lifetime, I have just been letdown so many times. I actually predicted before the season they they would win 88 games, get a wildcard spot, and win the wildcard game before losing to the Nationals in the round of eight. But now they may be lucky if they can get to 70-75 wins. The reason they are only a half game out of first place is because the Nationals have been through a slump. But I mentioned above that the Phillies went through a slump in 2009 when the Mets were playing poorly, keeping them in the division race another few weeks. Eventually the Nationals will catch fire, as they are too good not to. Also, teams like the SF Giants, Pirates, and Cubs are all in the mix for the Wild Card, and they are all pretty good teams. Keep in mind that the Pirates and Cubs have swept the Mets this season, with the Giants coming to down this week. Don't get me wrong, I hope they miraculous figure it out and get to the postseason. But this looks like a familiar situation. At the moment, I see another lost season for the Mets and their fans

by **docstox12** Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:07 am

Mike, excellent analysis of the Mets the last few years.

Bigger choke than Wright was Beltran LOOKIN at a called third strike by Wainwright ruining their chances in 2006.Wright is a very good, but not excellent player, who at his rapidly advancing age, is prone to injuries.Same with Murphy.What are you going to do about it except maybe analyze your medical staff and training programs.

Niese and Gee have little value at this juncture.Trading Colon would be ok if they could get something good in the hitting department.

Personally, I think Wright is finished, that stenosis can be a career ender.Even with a long shot return back, he'll never be the same.Sadly, with these strong players unions, the team is on the hook for the full contract.It should be reduced in half if a guy can't fulfill his contract IMHO.

Guess your going to have to live to my age, 64, to see a Mets World Series victory,LOL.I've seen two in my days.

by **Snow88** Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:46 am

It wasn't Beltran's fault that they lost game 7. The hitting was on vacation that game . They had numerous chances that game.

Colon pitched a gem last night allowing just 2 runs over 7 innings. They lost the game 2-1 when Colon allowed a 2 run homer in the 7th. Something really needs to be done about this hitting because it's friggin horrible. Thank god the Nats have been losing because if they weren't, the Mets would have been buried. The Braves are only 2.5 games out so it's looking like a 3 team race at the moment . None of the teams have been playing well. Also, the Mets have finally put Gee in the pen. Gee isn't happy at all about that decision and was complaining. What a baby. They should trade him and Niese. If this team gets more hitting, they would be good with the pitching that they have.

Granderson is terrible

by **Dunnzoo** Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:51 pm

Degrom rights the ship...and Grandy hits 2 HRs! Where was he yesterday???? Back in first place with the Nats loss...going to the game Tuesday to see the kid Noah pitch...

by **docstox12** Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:54 am

Our pitching is keeping us up there.Got to keep Flores in that lineup and Grandy finally does what he is capable of.Campbell went on a tear also.Guess being at the bottom of the hitting barrel got him angry

by **Snow88** Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:57 am

Thank god the NL East is weak Cool

by **docstox12** Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:49 am

Yeah. being on top in this division is like living in a fool's paradise.The weak sisters all get cut out when playoffs start unless a wild card team gets hot.

by **Math23x7** Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:23 pm

Do the Mets have any position players that can run? Not since the likes of Reyes and Pagan have we really seen that kind of speed. That is how you beat a ground ball pitcher. Since the Mets do not have anyone like that (and this was my thinking within the last few weeks), it seemed to be only a matter of time until they got no-hit by one and it happened tonight. Sad

by **Dunnzoo** Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:30 pm

I was at the game Mike, the kid was impressive, and the Mets impatient at the plate. I never thought I would ever see a no-hitter, but I have the score-card to prove it! Washington lost, so we still have first place. If we can hang on another month when players come back, we may be able to make a run in October. Travis is on his way to NY today, with Herrera due back this week as well.

by **Snow88** Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:40 pm

by **CPcantmeasuresnow** Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:36 pm

Love it when you can joke about your beloved team Snow. It's the only way to stay sane as a fan.

by **Snow88** Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:51 pm

Harvey struggled again. He hasn't been pitching well at all of late. Hope nothing is wrong.

With this Mets loss, Nats are in first place 0.5 games and the Braves are just 1.5 games back.

by **docstox12** Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:16 am

Snow88 wrote:

This is the perfect team for me as I'm a black and white type of guy.Yes, you suffer for years but when they click, 1969, 1986 and 2000, you get rewarded for it.Gotta get low as dirt to get as high as the sky.

by **docstox12** Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:21 am

I'll cut them some slack as they are playing the world champs and not a bunch of creampuffs.Still, to get no hit by a 9th round draft pick rookie on his 13th start...DISGRACEFUL.It has nothing to do with speed as Math says but a complete inability to hit.We are mostly a bunch of triple A hitters playing in the majors.

I think Harvey is all screwed up mentally from this cockamamie 6 man rotation they have cooked up.His pitches are UP,UP,UP and FLAT,FLAT,FLAT.These hitters are jacking them out of the ballpark.Could also be the Tommy John effect.Some guys are never the same after that.I'd send him to the minors to get his confidence back up for a few weeks and bring up Matz.

by **Snow88** Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:51 am

Only 2 games above .500 after a 13-3 start Mad

by **Snow88** Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:13 pm

Nice Mets win. Cuddy got the game winning hit. This lineup is much better when Herrara and Travis are in the lineup. Niese pitched a good game. Nats just lost. Mets are back in 1st place lol.

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