Re: Wx Banter Thread 2.0

[Isotherm]

The snow from this winter's blizzard didn't melt immediately in my area. I had snow on the ground almost every day from Jan 17th-Feb 10th. So for me, a winter like this is more exciting than 5 6" events spread throughout. I thoroughly enjoyed the past couple of winters, but honestly found myself left with a bit of a "void" due to the fact that the 15"+ snowstorms were absent since 2010-11. I would be surprised if we went March completely snowless, but this winter only needs one more significant event (6"+) to be at least a B in my area. Temp departures averaged +0.7 here for Jan-feb (0.0 jan, +1.4 Feb). Jan-Feb was nowhere near as torchy in the East as most of the super Nino years (83, 73, 98). Overall, it's an "OK" winter here for now.

[Quietace]

If you have a Weather Bell Acct Joe D'Aleo has an interesting discussion last night.  He discusses the global temps in relation to the El Nino/La Nina, PDO(Pacific Decadal Oscillation) and AMO(Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation) cycles.  Its filled with graphs and maps; too many for me to post here, but his conclusion:
"When the AMO goes negative and is joined by the PDO in the years ahead, the arctic will cool and ice return."

http://www.weatherbell.com/premium/joe-daleo/temperatures-as-they-relate-to-the-oceans-1

I see his points...yet I question his decision to use Tmax temps for the reason I quote "not contaminated by UHI as much as the minimum." UHI is part of global climatology now, thus excluding its effect on temperatures is negligent. Part of the increase in global 2mT is due to rapid sub-urbanization, large use of low specific heat/albedo substances; and more recently the decrease in active rural sensors. I understand his point in excluding UHI to compare how global temps how have increased without UHI(in rural areas), but withdrawing that impact in total, or partly is again disappointing as I stated prior, UHI is part of today's climatology.

more recently the decrease in active rural sensors. - this is what Brikner talks about in his book on the Climate in the HV and NYC Metro - hundreds of sensors that have been turned off - listening to him talk about this at a presentation he gave was very interesting - he wrote to NWS about this and they really ticked him off with their response of to the fact "they are no longer needed in our forecasting climatology system". UHI that was once just for the big cities has spread some 20 miles plus outside of this zone since teh early 1980's - talked about this in a post in this thread and in CP NYC thread as well. Where I live today in NENJ was once a ruralish area going back to the  to mid 1980's with lots of wooded tracts of land and numerous farms. In the last 30 years now we have urbanized these tracts of land. It all adds up IMO. Lastly, can we please remove the sensors on at the airports? For crying all night put the heat sensors on top of the vents from the tunnels and subways why don't we to this point - ever stand on teh tarmac or at teh end of teh runway - I have many times - before 9-11 yuo could watch planes take off and land at will at Newark and man was it hot from tarmac to the jet exhaust every 30-60 seconds of planes taking off and landing - just sayin.

You have to note why sensors were turned off. Some of them had high CRN categorical errors, while others were eliminated due to budget cuts and deferred maintenance(similarly to how our oceanic floating buoy network has diminished). I would like to question your point for moving airport sensors. Where would you move them in big cities? You can not move them into a park as that would skew correct temperature readings for the city due to UHI. The reasons airports are used is for quality control of data. NOAA has requirements, and usually these requirements are only met at airports in big cities.
-Sensor must be 5 feet above the ground (+/- 1 foot).
-Must be over a level terrain with an open area clearing so the thermometers are freely ventilated by air flow.
-Sensor should be no closer than 4 times the height of any obstruction (tree, fence, building, etc.).
-Sensor should be at least 100 feet from any paved or concrete surface
I will note that none of this matters if a majority of stations are CRN-4 anyway. Data is already skewed, as is not adjusted. I give the example of KMJX(Toms River). It ran at CRN-5 for a while before being fixed. I remember seeing 100 degree reading all the time in the summer.

[Quietace]

With the HRRRX, why will we not discontinue the RAP. HRRR is 3km res vs 13km. They should just downscale the RAP initialization to 3km(since it already uses its 13km initialization, except for its radar at 3km) and run it to hour 18. Its a superior product, and would be one less product to maintain and upgrade.

[weatherwatchermom]

Hey did I miss something..is Frank ok? no MoMo today..

[RJB8525]

i'm ready to jump on the Spring train, another nice afternoon today. No more disappointments tell winter turn out the lights the party's over

rant finished

[frank 638]

i am with u 100 percent rjb88525 this winter has been crappy i am ready for my garden fishing yankees bbq and more

[Frank_Wx]

Hey did I miss something..is Frank ok? no MoMo today..

It's coming. I'll have it ready for tomorrow morning. I wanted to wait another 24 hours to see if models can get a better handle on Fridays storm. Of course they're still clueless.

[weatherwatchermom]

Hey did I miss something..is Frank ok? no MoMo today..

It's coming. I'll have it ready for tomorrow morning. I wanted to wait another 24 hours to see if models can get a better handle on Fridays storm. Of course they're still clueless.

no pressure..lol..I was just worried that you might still be sick!! Hope you are feeling back to your old self...and why would any storm tracking be any different this year!!

[billg315]

I guess I wouldn't mind an early March snowstorm to close out what has been a - ahem - less than spectacular winter, but I'm pretty much ready to shift into Spring mode at this point. If I can't get snow in December, January and February (other than one isolated storm -- albeit a historic storm), I'd rather not make up for it in March. I'll give this end of the week storm a shot, but after that I say bring on the 60s and some baseball weather.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

The average HIGH temperature in NYC doesn't hit 70 until May 11, granted we'll always have some days that go above before May that's what makes up averages.

What I don't get and never will is why everyone is in such a rush for spring after a winter that never was.

[Math23x7]

Using that logic CP, the average high never gets up to 90, so it shouldn't hit 90 at all yet every year since CP has kept records in 1869 it has hit 90 at least once.

[docstox12]

The average HIGH temperature in NYC doesn't hit 70 until May 11, granted we'll always have some days that go above before May that's what makes up averages.

What I don't get and never will is why everyone is in such a rush for spring after a winter that never was.

CP, when you see the big snowstorms going S and E of the HV but the massive rainstorms always cutting to our west perfectly,then I have had it with winter.I gave Dec, Jan and Feb a chance and now these March events look minor at best.I love fishing and being out of doors in the nice warm sun.Winter's over for me.Also, I am not a fan of brutal cold without snow.Give me 25 to 30 degrees with 20 inches of snow instead.

Just one man's humble opinion here in the snow starved HV of NY.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

Using that logic CP, the average high never gets up to 90, so it shouldn't hit 90 at all yet every year since CP has kept records in 1869 it has hit 90 at least once.

Mike:

You weren't reading closely

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

Okay whose the one wise ass that gave this winter an A?

It had to be someone that hates winter. Hector you're my number one suspect.

[Dtone]

The average HIGH temperature in NYC doesn't hit 70 until May 11, granted we'll always have some days that go above before May that's what makes up averages.

What I don't get and never will is why everyone is in such a rush for spring after a winter that never was.

A spring filled with rainy days in the 40s and dreary back door cold fronts robbing us of warmth just to the west or south is just as depressing.
Even in good winters the chance of snow falls off rapidly by mid March. If nothing develops in the next 7 days, I'll be just about ready to close the books on this winter and move on. Your window for snowfall is a little longer up your way so you have that hope to keep you going a while longer.

Without the Jan blizzard you would of won the snowfall contest for this winter.

[amugs]

Okay whose the one wise ass that gave this winter an A?

It had to be someone that hates winter. Hector you're my number one suspect.

Banish the man or woman who did such until 2020 I say.

Rb put the hex on Feb secretly and now it comes out as he admit sin the LR thread.

After this weekend snow event I am personally taking a break from weather unless comes about - severe weather, Nor'easter of the such. I do not like March except for St Pats day - grey, wet and raw month - wake me when we get to April.

Oh and watch out for the 70's next week - there will be a HP over N Maine on the latest runs - you ain't gettin' 70 with that if it verifies this time of year - your 70 will feel like 50's.

[hyde345]

Winter is just about over after this weekend. Put the shovels away and drain the snowblower, not that I had to use either this year anyway. I love winter but I am throwing in the towel after this weekend. This was my winter of discontent. When temps get above 70 by Wednesday-Thursday of next week then I am officially done.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

The average HIGH temperature in NYC doesn't hit 70 until May 11, granted we'll always have some days that go above before May that's what makes up averages.

What I don't get and never will is why everyone is in such a rush for spring after a winter that never was.

A spring filled with rainy days in the 40s and dreary back door cold fronts robbing us of warmth just to the west or south is just as depressing.
Even in good winters the chance of snow falls off rapidly by mid March. If nothing develops in the next 7 days, I'll be just about ready to close the books on this winter and move on. Your window for snowfall is a little longer up your way so you have that hope to keep you going a while longer.

Without the Jan blizzard you would of won the snowfall contest for this winter.

Dtone:

I'm not sure I can discuss this with the man that just gave this winter a B.

If Patton were here he'd slap your face. Of course If Patton were here he'd water board the bastard that gave this winter an A. Hector????

[Math23x7]

Two of the 26 plumes of the 21Z SREF give LaGuardia Airport a Godzilla later this week.  One member (ARN6) gives it 17.82" of snow and another shows 20.7" of snow.  Outside of those two, the highest snow amount has 3.89" of snow.

My reaction to the two outliers: 

[HectorO]

The average HIGH temperature in NYC doesn't hit 70 until May 11, granted we'll always have some days that go above before May that's what makes up averages.

What I don't get and never will is why everyone is in such a rush for spring after a winter that never was.

A spring filled with rainy days in the 40s and dreary back door cold fronts robbing us of warmth just to the west or south is just as depressing.
Even in good winters the chance of snow falls off rapidly by mid March. If nothing develops in the next 7 days, I'll be just about ready to close the books on this winter and move on. Your window for snowfall is a little longer up your way so you have that hope to keep you going a while longer.

Without the Jan blizzard you would of won the snowfall contest for this winter.

Dtone:

I'm not sure I can discuss this with the man that just gave this winter a B.

If Patton were here he'd slap your face. Of course If Patton were here he'd water board the bastard that gave this winter an A. Hector????

Haha, B+, some days were a little to chilly in February and that storm dropped it a few points

[amugs]

I hate you LR Euro and CMC u truly stunk with this one except for one storm oh and all the cutters and rain - bite me - done after this weekend peeps had it with so much promise - big coastal as thought would be but each time something screw it up.

[Grselig]

What a frustrating situation. Another potentially devastating storm reduced to nearly flurries. Super Tuesday has come and gone and victors have been, for the most part, determined. Spring has had a virtual chokehold on winter all year, and except for a few well placed jabs, is victorious.

I think we need more users with Snow in of our names to balance the weather. From now on I want to be called ThunderSnowGRS.

[Grselig]

Done (at least I have an Avatar and signature!!!!

darn.  signature did not save!!!

[Frank_Wx]

I never truly bought into the big coastal storm. The potential was there but the pattern aloft is pretty uninspiring

[nutleyblizzard]

Ok folks time to vent. Other than Juno, this winter has been an outright disaster having only getting a mere 5 inches of snow thanks in part of our old friend El Nino. That damn subtropical jet was too strong making us torch most of the time. Also what's the deal with the lack of blocking during winter months. Last time we had a dominate -NAO regime in the winter was 2010! Oh well already looking forward to next winter. It's going to be a long 9 months.

[frank 638]

i know how u feel at least we had juno this year that was a good storm other then that it has been a lousy winter with couple of cold shots with that record cold of -2 below zero .so many snow chances but it did not work out bring on the spring and summer ready for tstorms

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

Ok folks time to vent. Other than Juno, this winter has been an outright disaster having only getting a mere 5 inches of snow thanks in part of our old friend El Nino. That damn subtropical jet was too strong making us torch most of the time. Also what's the deal with the lack of blocking during winter months. Last time we had a dominate -NAO regime in the winter was 2010! Oh well already looking forward to next winter. It's going to be a long 9 months.

I still want to know who the wise ass was that gave this winter an A? I thought giving this winter a C was a bit of a stretch but an A? Ban the anonymous bastard, but in a humane way.

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