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January 2013 Long Range Thread

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Post by Frank_Wx Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:28 am

Post information relevant to long range weather over 1 week out, including potential pattern changes here.


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Post by Frank_Wx Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:12 am

I guess the question on everyone's mind is...when will the pattern change back to cold/stormier weather happen?
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Post by Frank_Wx Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:43 am

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GFS still signaling for very cold air mass to overtake much of the nation around mid-week next week. Storm signal around the 17th as well, as the NAO goes negative.
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Post by amugs Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:20 pm



I read this article this morning on Accuweather from Elliot Abrams and Evan Myers - the thinking is the jet stream buckles and the polar air will pour into the plains and then advance eastward. The site won't let me post the site but the question is will teh polar air reach the coast - the MJO goes to phase 7/8 at this time? What do you guys think?

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Post by Frank_Wx Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:21 pm

amugs wrote:

I read this article this morning on Accuweather from Elliot Abrams and Evan Myers - the thinking is the jet stream buckles and the polar air will pour into the plains and then advance eastward. The site won't let me post the site but the question is will teh polar air reach the coast - the MJO goes to phase 7/8 at this time? What do you guys think?


Why can't you post the link? You should be able to. As for the pattern, the MJO is important. But most guidance is showing it get into phase 7 then dying into the COD. If that's the case, it means we will see more normal temps around the area. However, if it does manage to get to 8 then we could see an arctic invasion. So we'll see.
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Post by amugs Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:36 pm

It said new members can not post an external link for 7 days.
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Post by Frank_Wx Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:44 pm

amugs wrote:It said new members can not post an external link for 7 days.

Ok thanks, I'll see if I can fix that.
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Post by Frank_Wx Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:48 pm

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Here is the storm around the 17th. I have a feeling it will be too warm for us, but plenty of time to still watch this. This is the 18z GFS
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Post by aiannone Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:00 pm

Damn PNA just wont go positive and stay there lol...
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Post by Frank_Wx Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:03 pm

If the PV stations itself over the Hudson Bay next week, the PNA will be positive. Man next week is important. It may decide our winter to be honest...
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Post by Frank_Wx Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:57 pm

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And the 17th storm is there again on the 00z GFS...
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Post by Nystripe96 Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:13 am

I'm definitely staying up for the euro tonight.. Today's runs of the gfs have been very promising to say the least

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Post by Frank_Wx Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:16 am

I'm not sure if I can make it to EURO tonight, but the GFS has been very consistent. We'll see what the GEFS have to say.

Between now and the 15th is torture. Once we gets near the 16th, pattern should be much more favorable, regardless of if the 17th storm pans out.
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Post by Nystripe96 Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:29 am

Everyday this winter has been torture lol. It seems everybody west of I95 has had at least some semblance of a winter

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Post by Frank_Wx Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:34 am

Nystripe96 wrote:Everyday this winter has been torture lol. It seems everybody west of I95 has had at least some semblance of a winter

Yea, really. But honestly, I was expecting this to happen. Our only hope is the NAO gets negative or else we will remain on the snow/rain line.

By the way...00z GEFS look good.

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Post by Nystripe96 Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:46 am

Yea but the brutal cold doesn't exactly get entrenched like prior runs had been showing. It's been a while since we've experienced a true arctic outbreak

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Post by Frank_Wx Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:00 am

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Euro now shows frozen precip getting into the area between the 16th-17th...

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Post by Frank_Wx Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:43 am

The 12z GFS brings record breaking cold to the area by late next week. Holy cow..
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Post by Nystripe96 Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:11 pm

Omgggg please verify lol

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Post by Frank_Wx Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:05 pm

As the PV comes in and out, that will be when our best storm chances are.
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Post by sroc4 Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:58 pm

It is going to be an epic battle back and fourth within each individual model regarding the "pattern change" that is shaping up around the 15th-18th time frame. Just like what we saw when the weather pattern was looking to shift to a more cold and stormy pattern towards the end of Dec., be prepared for each model to shift back and fourth from run to run. This is going to probably be one of those scenarios that we wont know what will happen along the coast until 3-5days out at best. None the less its still long range so until its under a week thats all Im going to say about it at this point.


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Post by Nystripe96 Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:07 pm

I'm hoping the SE ridge just falls apart allowing the intrusion of cold which the 12z is showing. I do have my doubts, but hopefully the vast expanse of the continental snowpack will allow for a further transition eastward

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Post by sroc4 Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:27 pm

Nystripe96 wrote: I'm hoping the SE ridge just falls apart allowing the intrusion of cold which the 12z is showing. I do have my doubts, but hopefully the vast expanse of the continental snowpack will allow for a further transition eastward

Hey Stripe the NAO has been pretty consistently showing up in the LR as going neg and staying there. I think this will allow the cold air to start building on the SE ridge. The SE ridge will eventually be pushed back. The GFS unfort is really the only model as of now showing a slight Pos PNA. The rest are still showing neg but we shall see.
0z comparisons
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http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/12zPNAcomparison.html
But as Frank pointed out in his Blog the EPO looks ripe to be neg which will hopefully still allow the ridge to take shape in the Eastern Pacific. I just hope the ridge is close enough to the west coast so enough cold air can be forced into the CONUS and make it far enough east to help beat back the SE ridge with blocking in place.
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Post by aiannone Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:53 pm

Sorry this is such a long post but this is from the HPC...

THE SECOND PATTERN CHANGE WILL BEGIN TO SHOW ITS CARDS BY THE MIDDLE
OF THE MONTH. A MAJOR SUDDEN STRATOSPHERIC WARMING EVENT IS UNDERWAY
AND NEARING COMPLETION. SUDDEN STRATOSPHERIC WARMING EVENTS ARE
FAVORED TO OCCUR DURING AN EASTERLY PHASE OF THE QUASI-BIENNIAL
OSCILLATION /QBO/…WHICH IS THE PHASE THE STRATOSPHERE IS IN THIS
WINTER. THE SUDDEN STRATOSPHERIC WARMING CAUSES A DRAMATIC
WEAKENING…AND SOMETIMES ENTIRE BREAKDOWN OF THE STRATOSPHERIC
POLAR VORTEX…AND A GREAT WEAKENING OR EVEN REVERSAL OF THE
STRATOSPHERIC POLAR NIGHT JET. THE GFS FORECASTS THIS TO OCCUR OVER
THE NEXT WEEK AT THE 2MB LEVEL.

THE RESULT OF ALL OF THIS IS THE GENERATION OF STRONG HIGH LATITUDE
BLOCKING AS THE DRAMATIC CHANGES IN THE STRATOSPHERE FEED DOWN INTO
THE TROPOSPHERE. HIGH LATITUDE BLOCKING FORCES THE COLDEST AIR SOUTH
OUT OF THE HIGH ARCTIC AND TOWARDS THE MID LATITUDES…AND ALSO
FAVORS LASTING STRONGLY NEGATIVE EPISODES OF ARCTIC OSCILLATION /AO/
AND NORTH ATLANTIC OSCILLATION /NAO/. THIS TYPICALLY BEGINS TO TAKE
PLACE 10-15 DAYS AFTER THE SUDDEN STRATOSPHERIC WARMING EVENT. HOW
LONG IT LASTS CAN VARY…BUT TYPICALLY THE COLD PATTERN LASTS FOR AT
LEAST A FEW WEEKS…AND OCCASIONALLY CAN PERSIST THROUGH THE REST OF
WINTER.

AS ALL OF THIS IS OCCURRING…THE MJO IS FORECAST BY THE GEFS
ENSEMBLES TO WEAKEN AND FADE AWAY IN ABOUT 10 DAYS. THE PACIFIC
NORTH AMERICAN PATTERN /PNA/ IS FORECAST TO REMAIN NEGATIVE OVER THE
NEXT 10 DAYS…WHICH WILL DIRECT THE FIRST BATCHES OF COLD INTO THE
WESTERN AND EVENTUALLY CENTRAL UNITED STATES. GEFS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS
SUPPORT A TREND TOWARDS A NEUTRAL OR POSITIVE PNA BY THE MIDDLE OF
THE MONTH…WHICH SHOULD ALLOW THE GROWING COLD TO SPREAD EASTWARD.

WHAT ALL OF THIS TECHNICAL JARGON MEANS IS THAT THERE IS MODERATE TO
HIGH CONFIDENCE IN A PATTERN CHANGE TOWARDS MUCH COLDER WEATHER FOR
THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN UNITED STATES STARTING AROUND THE MIDDLE OF
JANUARY…WITH COLD LIKELY PEAKING IN LATE JANUARY INTO EARLY
FEBRUARY. THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR THE COLDEST AIR WE HAVE SEEN IN
AT LEAST SEVERAL YEARS DURING THIS PERIOD. WHAT SNOW POTENTIAL THIS
WILL BRING IS MUCH MORE UNCERTAIN DUE TO UNKNOWN DETAILS WITH
SYNOPTIC STORM TRACK AND LAKE EFFECT POTENTIAL.
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Post by NjWeatherGuy Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:30 pm

Figured maybe I posted this is the wrong thread.

From what i've seen before the pattern change arrives a very slow moving cold front will move over the region. To me it looked pretty strong so I checked the GFS and today's 18z run at hour 192 shows elevated CAPE, lifting and showalter indeces over our area. Nothing too extreme but I think we cant rule out some rumbles of thunder or lightning as this passes through. Of course, it's too far away at this time to know what will happen exactly.
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