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Update #1: Can NJ Make Up For Blizzard Bust?

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Post by sroc4 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:06 pm

Looks like the cmc is now on board with the GFS op/GEFS/EPS/00z Euro Op We shall make sure the 12z Euro holds. If the 00z hold tonight I think all will love my snow map in the morning. I feel like the cieling for this event has been trending higher. 12-16" is not out of the question if things hold suit.

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Post by jmanley32 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:06 pm

lol CP, right mugs in check : )

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:06 pm

jimv45 wrote:Even if the heavy stuff stays south of us mid-hudson people it is going to be real cold sunday night in monday with great ratios looks good for everyone right now!!!

So early but right now Orange, Putnam and Dutchess do great in those runs.
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Post by Frank_Wx Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:07 pm

Parts of central and eastern LI still have 20+ inches on the ground. May tack on at least another foot Monday. Still a lot of time to see how this shapes out though. The trend today has been a little further north because it's stronger. I talked about this yesterday when I posted the DGEX. It is a definite possibility and one that I am beginning to find intriguing. I think the purple track is OFF the table. We'll be somewhere between Green and Blue track, or slightly north of blue track

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Post by skinsfan1177 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:08 pm

Those maps it looks warm to me for my area
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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:08 pm

Frank_Wx wrote:Parts of central and eastern LI still have 20+ inches on the ground. May tack on at least another foot Monday. Still a lot of time to see how this shapes out though. The trend today has been a little further north because it's stronger. I talked about this yesterday when I posted the DGEX. It is a definite possibility and one that I am beginning to find intriguing. I think the purple track is OFF the table. We'll be somewhere between Green and Blue track, or slightly north of blue track

Totally agreed. I was just about to mention this lmao

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Post by nutleyblizzard Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:20 pm

Hopefully the models have stopped with the northward trend and strength. If this storm trends any stronger with an earlier phase, we may me looking at a cutter/redevelopment situation. Then we are dealing with a Miller B event which is basically a russian roulette storm. Just look at last Monday's storm for reference.
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Post by gigs68 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:22 pm

skinsfan1177 wrote:
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skinsfan1177 wrote:What's wwa

Warm Air Advection. Think of it this way, Skins. You know there's a warm front at the surface, but it isn't ONLY at the surface, it's throughout the atmospheric column. Because cold air is much more dense than warm air, the warm air being brought northward on the southerly winds ahead of this system is forced up and over the cold air. Where the warm air is able to remain at the surface, those areas are behind the warm front (at the surface), but it reaches a point where it can't scour out the cold air entirely, and so must flow over the dome of cold air. As it continues northward the cold air becomes deeper. The division between the dome of cold air beneath the warm air being ADVECTED over it by the winds is the same warm front as it is at the surface, but it's just higher up. And, in practice, the warm air will look like a wedge on top of the cold dome if you took a vertical cross section through the column. As long as the cold dome can remain cold enough through the precipitation formation zone, it will snow. The shallower the cold air becomes, the "warmer" your precipitation becomes i.e. sleet-->freezing rain-->rain. Make sense?

Thanks man appreciate it

Great explantion. Wouldn't Warm Air Advection be WAA not WWA?
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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:24 pm

It is WAA. I asked the same thing, it was just mis typed.
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Post by amugs Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:38 pm

Frank - was just reiterating that we had all models on board - NOW LETS NAIL THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aren't you suppose to be checking the quality of the m&m's I east???

Board is going to be hopping once again this weekend - can we break our record?
Folks let's not forget the brutal cold temps behind this storm

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Post by sroc4 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:42 pm

Euro initializing

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Post by jimv45 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:44 pm

Bernie Rayno thinks this has a change to come more north and may mix NY City south!

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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:56 pm

Latest Euro looks slightly more amplified with the western ridge than 00z through 30.

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Post by amugs Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:59 pm

Euro looks good through hr 39 hr 42, hr 46 looks juicier here we go

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Post by amugs Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:00 pm

That HP over SE CA is going to push this bad to us ! COME ON!

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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:02 pm

Just checked the 12z UKMET, and it is in line with the GEM. OH BOY

But it also looks like it would end up a slop-storm :/ too much deepening.


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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:03 pm

EURO looks almost identical so far.....

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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:05 pm

Definitely more moist than 00z through 60.

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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:06 pm

Track is identical through 66 but much more moisture being thrown into the cold air. This is gonna be a big run IMO.

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Post by amugs Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:07 pm

Vort more amped - stronger LP at hr

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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:07 pm

1000 hPa surface cyclone in 12z hour 72 versus 1004 hPa cyclone in 00z. Same location.

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Post by amugs Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:08 pm

HR 75 DAM I lOVE THIS FN RUN!!!!!!!!!!!! DA CRSUSHER!

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Post by amugs Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:08 pm

STILL GOING!!!

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Post by amugs Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:09 pm

LP 992 OFF SNJ - WOO HOOO!

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Post by rb924119 Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:09 pm

Easily 10-16 region-wide with ratios.....snow map is gonna be 8-12" with 10:1 ratios. I'll post when I have it.

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Post by amugs Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:10 pm

Keep it coming !

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