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Post by Frank_Wx Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:45 pm

This is definitely up there as one of the more complicated and complex forecasts I ever had to make. There remains significant differences in the modeling, but on these features they mainly all agree:

1. Primary low near Ohio gives way to a secondary low near Hatteras. The initial WAA, or overrunning snow, may drop 4"+ over parts of the area. Especially the more SW you are.

2. 500mb, 700mb, and 850mb lows will pass to our south then head northeast off the coast

3. As these mid-level lows approach our area, enhanced H5 PvA / 700mb vertical velocity along an extremely powerful low level jet will enable 2-3"/hour snowfall rates over parts of PA, NJ, NYC and LI

4. The high latitude blocking will allow the surface low to slow down once it reaches our latitude, then as the trough amplifies from northern stream phasing, this low is likely to stall/occlude off NJ coast while pounding the area with moderate to heavy snow

5. There will be high winds at certain times over immediate coastal sections. This includes NYC and LI. Blizzard conditions are probable if not highly likely. We'll see if Upton issues Blizzard Warnings

6. My snow map is angled more W-E than SW-NE because we're getting precip from overrunning, the banding from the secondary as it comes up the coast, and the CCB that develops once the trough closes off and the SLP is captured. Ratios will be 10:1, but I can see north-central NJ, NW NJ, SE NY and EPA get into higher ratios given there very cold temps.

GFS 700mb VV's - other models also place the best VV's over this circled area

February 1st-2nd Godzilla, Part III: 1st Call Snow Map GFS-VV2

Then you can see it angles SW to NE

February 1st-2nd Godzilla, Part III: 1st Call Snow Map GFS-VV

GFS 850mb LLJ - absolute annihilation

February 1st-2nd Godzilla, Part III: 1st Call Snow Map 850mb-wind

GFS 925mb temps - this is the warmest frame but notice the time stamp. It is 4am Tuesday, when damage has already been done. Because the SLP is tucked into the coast, some drier air will work its way in over coastal sections and LI. There may be a period of rain/sleet but not much at all.

February 1st-2nd Godzilla, Part III: 1st Call Snow Map 925mb

GFS surface temps - marginal if not warm for the shore, NYC and LI. Time stamp is early Monday afternoon. That also happens to be the heart of this storm, when insane precip rates are likely to fall. Therefore, I am not putting a whole lot of stock into the surface temps as I think snow will have no issue accumulating. I think the GFS is over-doing them quite frankly. Wet bulb will keep these areas below freezing.

February 1st-2nd Godzilla, Part III: 1st Call Snow Map Surface-temps

1st call snow map - I don't think this storm is playing games. I think it will be the real deal for the reasons called out above. Virtually every model is painting Godzilla snow amounts for the NYC metro area. Regardless of the models, I really tried to base this map off where the best dynamics will be. Small changes with the path of the SLP would mean consequences to this map, because you are risking a new placement with the LLJ and 700mb VV's. Some ensemble members try to bring this low even MORE west, which would bring warmer air into the shore, NYC, and LI. These places are right on the fringe as is, which is also why they will see the best snowfall rates from this storm. Since this is a highly volatile system this is also a highly volatile first call. I would be shocked if I did not have to issue a second map. Most likely I will, but not until tomorrow afternoon.

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Post by weatherwatchermom Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:47 pm

Thanks Frank! What ever we already this season got more with the Dec storm than we did all of last season..it's been a thrill to track a storm!
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Post by Frank_Wx Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:50 pm

I am posting @billg315 on his behalf. I did not want to steal his thunder! Nice job, though I do disagree with the pink/orange zones mainly because I think these places benefit from the frontogenesis

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@billg315 wrote:Green: Mostly Rain. Snow at start and end but so much more rain as to render any accumulation marginal. But watch winds and coastal flooding.
Yellow: 5-10”. Snow will have some sleet and rain mix in at times in the middle of the storm, especially close to the shore, which will keep totals down a tad. If you get less mixing you’ll be closer to 10”; more and you’ll be near 5”.
Blue/Purple: 10-15”. Heavy snow throughout. Maybe a lull during transfer to coastal early Monday, but will pick up again as coastal takes over.
Red (in middle of Blue): 15-20” in jackpot zone. CCB band crushes it.
Orange: 5-10” of snow. Good steady snow but just a tad away from the heaviest bands.
Pink: 3-5” of snow. I just think this is going to be where the cutoff is for the really heavy snow from the coastal. This area may benefit more from the WWA out front which could boost this total a bit.

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Post by billg315 Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:53 pm

Thanks Frank! The pink zone I think I may have underplayed; I think they may do better at the outset of the storm with the WAA and I may have not fully accounted for that. I put that note in map description because that was nagging at me, and you pointing it out makes me realize I should have gone with my gut. Haha. But live and learn.
Your map and analysis, awesome as always.
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Post by jmanley32 Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:55 pm

WOW giggity Frank!! I cannot complain at all, not one ounce, both you and bill have me in the jackpot though your jackpot encompases a much larger area to west. Even if I move outside of the jkackpot still a lot of snow.
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Post by frank 638 Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:01 pm

Frank I am also in the jackpot I am not complaining we have had this much snow in a long time and we deserve it I am very excited grazie per il tho poset e mappa

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Post by Frank_Wx Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:03 pm

18z EURO is rolling

As stated in my write-up, the banding with this storm is horizontal and as such my map reflects that

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Post by Frank_Wx Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:05 pm

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Post by frank 638 Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:08 pm

Frank what do you think half of the area will go to blizzard warnings

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Post by Frank_Wx Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:13 pm

EURO closely resembles my first forecast, but believes I should expand the yellow more S-SE. We'll see! Temps scare me a bit there. But holy capocollo! What a run

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Post by Frank_Wx Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:14 pm

Oh jesus

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Post by billg315 Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:15 pm

@Frank_Wx wrote:Oh jesus

February 1st-2nd Godzilla, Part III: 1st Call Snow Map Ecmwf-deterministic-nyc-gust_swath_mph-2267200.png.61044944a30d500f2bbcb0ca3045c46a

Overlay that with your snow map and you have a legit blizzard.
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Post by Grselig Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:16 pm

The big question, when will you declare this a Zilla and make it official? Very Happy Very Happy
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Post by Frank_Wx Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:17 pm

Yup


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Post by mmanisca Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:22 pm

@Frank_Wx wrote:EURO closely resembles my first forecast, but believes I should expand the yellow more S-SE. We'll see! Temps scare me a bit there. But holy capocollo! What a run

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Man those 850s Late Monday night into Tuesday over Long Island are not good at all....
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Post by mwilli Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:23 pm

I'm in the Jackpot zone also(Hempstead)27 years here and waited for one big snowstorm(last"biggie" was blizzard of 96)this one gonna top that....ready set go....

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Post by heehaw453 Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:24 pm

Nice! Go big or go home!

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Post by jmanley32 Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:33 pm

@billg315 wrote:
@Frank_Wx wrote:Oh jesus

February 1st-2nd Godzilla, Part III: 1st Call Snow Map Ecmwf-deterministic-nyc-gust_swath_mph-2267200.png.61044944a30d500f2bbcb0ca3045c46a

Overlay that with your snow map and you have a legit blizzard.
Can it get any bettter than this for me?!! Thats a blizzard even well inland if that map verified, which with these convective dynamics could at times and the criteria is 35mph, which should be no issue achiving. where does it stop! only thundersnow will complete this as the best storm ever in my recent memory, PLEASE don't let us down. 55-65mph gusts this has not been discussed yet by major outlets, but the Euro usually overdoes winds but this close in yup, def blizzard conditions if not warnings. As soon as those go up let the panic ensue, I had a mad dash to find new winter wear and everywhere was sold out!! Still need new gloves gonna have keep looking tomorrow, my wife found one lowly snow suit at target and she said the lines were to the back of the isles.


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Post by Grselig Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:34 pm

@jmanley32 wrote:
@billg315 wrote:
@Frank_Wx wrote:Oh jesus

February 1st-2nd Godzilla, Part III: 1st Call Snow Map Ecmwf-deterministic-nyc-gust_swath_mph-2267200.png.61044944a30d500f2bbcb0ca3045c46a

Overlay that with your snow map and you have a legit blizzard.
Can it get any bettter than this for me?!! where does it stop! only thundersnow will complete this as the best storm ever.  61mph jeeze, but the Euro usually overdoes winds but this close in yup, def blizzard conditions if not warnings. As soon as those go up let the panic ensue, i had a mad dash to find new winter wear and everywhere was sold out!! Still need new gloves gonna have keep looking tomorrow, my wife found one lowly snow suit at target and she said the lines were to the back of the isles.

Oh boy. So the panic has begun. We tried to get snow boots for our 1 year old dog. Ordered online for pickup. I wonder if they sold out. Yes, he likes to eat the snow.
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Post by jmanley32 Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:38 pm

@Frank_Wx wrote:Oh jesus

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Hpow long is the duration of the winds, thats just one frame? That will determine any warnings I think. Oh thats accumulated I see, but still over what period of time?
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Post by jmanley32 Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:40 pm

@Grselig wrote:
@jmanley32 wrote:
@billg315 wrote:
@Frank_Wx wrote:Oh jesus

February 1st-2nd Godzilla, Part III: 1st Call Snow Map Ecmwf-deterministic-nyc-gust_swath_mph-2267200.png.61044944a30d500f2bbcb0ca3045c46a

Overlay that with your snow map and you have a legit blizzard.
Can it get any bettter than this for me?!! where does it stop! only thundersnow will complete this as the best storm ever.  61mph jeeze, but the Euro usually overdoes winds but this close in yup, def blizzard conditions if not warnings. As soon as those go up let the panic ensue, i had a mad dash to find new winter wear and everywhere was sold out!! Still need new gloves gonna have keep looking tomorrow, my wife found one lowly snow suit at target and she said the lines were to the back of the isles.

Oh boy.  So the panic has begun.  We tried to get snow boots for our 1 year old dog.  Ordered online for pickup.  I wonder if they sold out.  Yes, he likes to eat the snow.  
Yeah and we did not plan to well and have get groceries tomorrow lol, will go as soon as they open and will likely be okay then.
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Post by Rooster89 Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:42 pm

What does that guys tweet mean?

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Post by jmanley32 Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:45 pm

Upton briefing now discusses gusts to 55mph, and has marine concerns in extreme level!! Nothing is below elevated, this is go be awesome.

https://www.weather.gov/media/okx/01302021pm_socialmedia.pdf
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Post by Grselig Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:53 pm

@Rooster89 wrote:What does that guys tweet mean?

@Rooster89 do you mean the Zilla reference? Between 12-23 inches Frank changes the banner to Godzilla mode. I think above 23 its a Roidzilla. Just fun stuff
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