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Post by amugs Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:19 am

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heehaw453 wrote:The 1/26 deal has potential but like most things this winter the pieces don't come together for us.  The tpv is on the wrong side of the Hudson Bay and that will interfere with n/s trough.  It will wash the s/s s/w energy right out.  You then get a very weak wave that will be small potatoes if anything.  

The 1/29-1/31 window IMO is a more legit threat.  You have a western ridge that will develop and allow for several n/s s/w's to dive hard on their backside.  But there in lies the problem wave spacing has been killing us this year for threats and I have no reason to believe this will be much different.  I expect a storm to our s/e.

So that is the rest of January IMO a couple more threat windows and I won't be surprised to see us miss out on each of them.  Sure there may be some nickel and dime things, but I don't think we hit the mark.  That being said January has not been too bad as we've all seen a lot worse even if it doesn't snow too much more.

We built the pattern, but you can’t exactly forecast simple bad luck. I must admit that I’m entirely surprised to have not come away with something sizable out of this. We will have had a straight month of a highly favorable overall synoptic alignment with nothing to show for it. Disappointing, for sure, but also fascinating and a perfect example of how fickle the weather, and the forecasting of it, can be.

Rb I hear ya brother but look at what I posted in the other thread of Jan and Discussions from Tomer Burg makes a lot of sense as to the what to the why and why to the what!

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Post by heehaw453 Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:44 am

There is room for this to come up.  If it can hold together better then this could be 1-3/2-4 type of deal NW I95 for 1/25.  Have to see how this trends...

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Post by amugs Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:09 pm

Tuesday has sparked some interest for a possibility N&W.
Need a few tweaks for the coastal plain but a good event for N&W possibly. That Clipper in SE CAN needs to get out of there.

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Post by amugs Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:12 pm

Canadian is colder and on board as well for 1/25- Walt Drag preaches, you need the CMC on board and being colder for a snowstorm.

Deeper dig than GFS

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Post by Ronfdny Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:18 pm

Lee Goldberg last night said February temps look above normal not want I wanted to hear for snow lovers

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Post by jmanley32 Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:26 pm

None of this surprises me, if its not go be any real snowstorms which is 3-6 for me at least then let it be warm and sunny or cludy, no rain. I cannot stand bitter cold and sun. I say after 1st week of Feb if we havent seen a decent storm I will be ready for spring to be here. many won't like this comment but putting my feeling out there as most do this too.
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Post by Zhukov1945 Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:29 pm

Who's ready to get excited for the GFS 10 days out!  Lock it in.

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Post by crippo84 Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:43 pm

Zhukov1945 wrote:Who's ready to get excited for the GFS 10 days out!  Lock it in.

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On the one year anniversary of last year's area wide blizzard. There's the shot in the vein I needed. Bracing for the eventual pain.
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Post by heehaw453 Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:51 pm

Zhukov1945 wrote:Who's ready to get excited for the GFS 10 days out!  Lock it in.

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I normally don't put an op model H5 at that range, but there is a window during 1-29-1-31 which a western ridge will pump up significantly in conjunction with an east based block. Most likely the active N/S will drop a s/w to ride down the shoot and amplify. If it dives at the right time as that ridge pumps and has enough room to amplify there will be a major EC snowstorm. Right now I'd say it dives either too late which pushes it to our SE or it gets inhibited by another trough which dampens heights.

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Post by mmanisca Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:25 pm

Im not putting any stock in this printout at this point. I'll treat that storm as noise for now.
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Post by heehaw453 Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:27 pm

Most of the 12Z guidance today looks like Can/GFS/Icon for 1/25 threat.  The Euro has the n/s squash s/s the energy and it's a nothing burger.  I'm kind of glad the Euro shows this ATTM actually.  Again this won't be sig, but could be a 1-3/2-4" kind of deal for nw of I95 IF the s/s energy is not interfered with by the n/s.


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Post by heehaw453 Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:29 pm

mmanisca wrote:Im not putting any stock in this printout at this point. I'll treat that storm as noise for now.

I think there will be a sig storm, but my bet now is it probably misses to our SE... Until I see luck change that's my sentiment.

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Post by phil155 Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:46 pm

heehaw453 wrote:
mmanisca wrote:Im not putting any stock in this printout at this point. I'll treat that storm as noise for now.

I think there will be a sig storm, but my bet now is it probably misses to our SE...  Until I see luck change that's my sentiment.  


I have to agree as they say the trend is your friend and right now the trend is to the southeast


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Post by heehaw453 Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:08 pm

I should also point out that this storm for 1/29-1/30 is not in fantasy land range.  The genesis of it is here and H5 at this range is not exact, but general idea is probably accurate.  The details of course at this range are non-sense, but this setup most likely yields a sig storm.  Fairly confident on that so we will most likely go through the highs/lows in about 3 days or so.  Smile

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Post by nutleyblizzard Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:10 pm

Yea I know it’s out in fantasy land and details need to be ironed out, but the Euro has come on board along with the GFS and CMC for a strong coastal at day 10.
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Post by heehaw453 Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:35 pm

Very strong signal on EPS for D8.  Actually looks like it has the room it needs for development.

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Post by jmanley32 Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:00 pm

heehaw453 wrote:Very strong signal on EPS for D8.  Actually looks like it has the room it needs for development.

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We saw this a week ago for the huge storm today.....
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Post by heehaw453 Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:55 pm

You get big dog storms with some of the following ingredients. Just sayin'

blocking
NW side of a rapidly maturing cyclone
deep moisture fetch
sufficient cold air
sufficient space for the cyclone
additional energy phasing into the storm during its maturation phase

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Post by amugs Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:46 pm

You need not look any further than next week. 8-9 days is an enternity for wx.
4 days out and we see a midweek storm that we need to watch.
The Clipper is weaker which is good allowing for more room for the Southern energy to dig and doesn't warm the boundary layer as much.
Fks we have as Frank and Haw has pointed out some blocking can do wonders.

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Post by Radz Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:43 am

Gfs for the win next weekend lol
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Post by heehaw453 Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:02 am

The interaction of this developing storm on 1/29 could be highly influenced by the TPV n/s energy. These are details that are just too far out to have any analysis on. We just have to stay tuned and understand this may have no sig impact on our area...

Couple of things I have growing confidence in for 1/29 timeframe.
A major storm developing somewhere off the east coast
A slow moving storm
Good western ridge/east based blocking

Absolutely no confidence ATTM
The interaction of the n/s tpv on the developing storm
The placement of the storm w.r.t. to EC
Redevelopment of the storm

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Post by crippo84 Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:09 am

heehaw453 wrote:The interaction of this developing storm on 1/29 could be highly influenced by the TPV n/s energy. These are details that are just too far out to have any analysis on.  We just have to stay tuned and understand this may have no sig impact on our area...

Couple of things I have growing confidence in for 1/29 timeframe.  
A major storm developing somewhere off the east coast
A slow moving storm
Good western ridge/east based blocking

Absolutely no confidence ATTM
The interaction of the n/s tpv on the developing storm
The placement of the storm w.r.t. to EC
Redevelopment of the storm

What does n/s tpv stand for? Northern stream...?
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Post by heehaw453 Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:14 am

crippo84 wrote:
heehaw453 wrote:The interaction of this developing storm on 1/29 could be highly influenced by the TPV n/s energy. These are details that are just too far out to have any analysis on.  We just have to stay tuned and understand this may have no sig impact on our area...

Couple of things I have growing confidence in for 1/29 timeframe.  
A major storm developing somewhere off the east coast
A slow moving storm
Good western ridge/east based blocking

Absolutely no confidence ATTM
The interaction of the n/s tpv on the developing storm
The placement of the storm w.r.t. to EC
Redevelopment of the storm

What does n/s tpv stand for? Northern stream...?

Tropospheric polar vortex which is the lower half of the polar vortex.

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Post by nutleyblizzard Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:23 am

heehaw453 wrote:The interaction of this developing storm on 1/29 could be highly influenced by the TPV n/s energy. These are details that are just too far out to have any analysis on.  We just have to stay tuned and understand this may have no sig impact on our area...

Couple of things I have growing confidence in for 1/29 timeframe.  
A major storm developing somewhere off the east coast
A slow moving storm
Good western ridge/east based blocking

Absolutely no confidence ATTM
The interaction of the n/s tpv on the developing storm
The placement of the storm w.r.t. to EC
Redevelopment of the storm
Too many variables at play here which has been the general theme this winter. Since we don’t have a west based block, every storm threat is a thread the needle event. While I want a blockbuster storm more then anyone, I refuse to get pulled in only to get hood winked in the end. I’ll watch the model runs in the coming days, but I won’t bite till Wednesday if the threat is still there.
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Post by jmanley32 Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:14 am

LOL you guys see the GFS I think it was last night? Nukes Eastern CT to cape with Franzroidzilla (yes a new term for well above 36 lol) 36-40+ inches wouldn't that be a smack in the head if that happened. It won't and my guess is it misses entirely but we will see it is 8 days out, not fantasy land but still as stated above way to far out to put any stance in it.
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