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Post by docstox12 Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:10 am

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Post by deadrabbit79 Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:28 pm

I know we have all been dying for snow and big snow.  But in this case nobody should be rooting for big snow with what is forecasted to come Tuesday night into Wednesday.  This is a recipe for disaster.  Prepare and be safe.  

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Post by billg315 Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:31 pm

deadrabbit79 wrote:I know we have all been dying for snow and big snow.  But in this case nobody should be rooting for big snow with what is forecasted to come Tuesday night into Wednesday.  This is a recipe for disaster.  Prepare and be safe.  

You're not wrong. If we get 2-3" of rain as modeled Tuesday, after all the rain in December, with a fresh snowpack to the north and saturated ground to the south, there will be some serious flooding issues Tuesday and Tuesday night.
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Post by jmanley32 Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:09 pm

With this current disappiintment and nidweek misery i am calling it that we see less snow than ladt year which was 5. In fact im thinking 0. If anything happens and we do get a storm grwat but im willing to bet coast sees mostly rain events. Snow that doesnt sticks is rain imo.
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Post by jmanley32 Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:10 pm

billg315 wrote:
deadrabbit79 wrote:I know we have all been dying for snow and big snow.  But in this case nobody should be rooting for big snow with what is forecasted to come Tuesday night into Wednesday.  This is a recipe for disaster.  Prepare and be safe.  

You're not wrong. If we get 2-3" of rain as modeled Tuesday, after all the rain in December, with a fresh snowpack to the north and saturated ground to the south, there will be some serious flooding issues Tuesday and Tuesday night.
also look at the wind maps could be on the scale if dec. 18th. Again as i said not go snow for coast this year, if it does great. And the briefing on the next storm says 2 to 4 with 5+ lically snd winds up to 60mph max. 40 to 50 most.
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Post by Dunnzoo Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:08 pm

ok, so I know this may be reaching, but maybe someone can help me out with this. If a drainage area of 19.4 miles gets 4" of snow, can you tell me how much rain equivalent it would be going into the reservoir? This is a little over my pay grade. lol

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:42 pm

jmanley32 wrote:With this current disappiintment and nidweek misery i am calling it that we see less snow than ladt year which was 5. In fact im thinking 0. If anything happens and we do get a storm grwat but im willing to bet coast sees mostly rain events. Snow that doesnt sticks is rain imo.

NWS recorded 1.5 inches for Yonkers.
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Post by jmanley32 Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:09 pm

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
jmanley32 wrote:With this current disappiintment and nidweek misery i am calling it that we see less snow than ladt year which was 5. In fact im thinking 0. If anything happens and we do get a storm grwat but im willing to bet coast sees mostly rain events. Snow that doesnt sticks is rain imo.

NWS recorded 1.5 inches for Yonkers.
Not here, maybe in a different part, it ranged all over the city from 0 to i guess 1.5, IMBY all we had was slush and it def was not 1.5
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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:13 pm

Dunnzoo wrote:ok, so I know this may be reaching, but maybe someone can help me out with this. If a drainage area of 19.4 miles gets 4" of snow, can you tell me how much rain equivalent it would be going into the reservoir? This is a little over my pay grade. lol

I can't do these calculations and try to decode what RB is talking about in the long range thread. I get a headache thinking about either.
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Post by jmanley32 Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:20 pm

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
Dunnzoo wrote:ok, so I know this may be reaching, but maybe someone can help me out with this. If a drainage area of 19.4 miles gets 4" of snow, can you tell me how much rain equivalent it would be going into the reservoir? This is a little over my pay grade. lol

I can't do these calculations and try to decode what RB is talking about in the long range thread. I get a headache thinking about either.
Just did some quick searches on this and it appears to be very complex and depends on how long the rivers are the stramflow at the start of the rain, how much it increases the stream flow, if there is any damning that causes more rise than a river with more free flowing for a lo9nger distance. Interesting question though. I have often wondered this myself.
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Post by rb924119 Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:22 pm

Dunnzoo wrote:ok, so I know this may be reaching, but maybe someone can help me out with this. If a drainage area of 19.4 miles gets 4" of snow, can you tell me how much rain equivalent it would be going into the reservoir? This is a little over my pay grade. lol

How much liquid went into making the 4” of snow? If you know that, then it becomes a fairly straightforward volume problem, I think…?

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Post by jmanley32 Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:25 pm

BTW, thanks to those that wished me well after my cortizone injection Thursday. Seems I had a much more painful reaction than some. It is also possible he messed up a bit. Shoulder still hurts and is hard to raise arm but yesterday and Friday was the worst. Only think I can think of that you have to go through more intense pain than you were experiencing prior, then that pain wears off and goes back to the original pain and then after a few weeks kicks in. Strange, hoping is sooner than later.
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Post by rb924119 Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:30 pm

jmanley32 wrote:
CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
Dunnzoo wrote:ok, so I know this may be reaching, but maybe someone can help me out with this. If a drainage area of 19.4 miles gets 4" of snow, can you tell me how much rain equivalent it would be going into the reservoir? This is a little over my pay grade. lol

I can't do these calculations and try to decode what RB is talking about in the long range thread. I get a headache thinking about either.
Just did some quick searches on this and it appears to be very complex and depends on how long the rivers are the stramflow at the start of the rain, how much it increases the stream flow, if there is any damning that causes more rise than a river with more free flowing for a lo9nger distance. Interesting question though. I have often wondered this myself.

Maybe I was wrong haha but it doesn’t sound like it should be that complicated..? You’re always going to have some baseline of input. But I think what’s being asked is what amount of additional water would be added as a result of a 4” snow? I would think if you knew the general absorption coefficient for the area, that would give you the amount of immediate runoff. Then from that, you could calculate how much water get into the reservoir right away. Then, you still have some of the absorbed water that gets into surface water table. I believe there is an equation for that as a function of time as well. Apply that to the absorbed water, and then add that to the runoff to get the total amount water that would go into the reservoir. You’re not looking at rates of streamflow, just the amount.

Idk. As I said, I could be wrong haha but that’s how I’d try going about it lol

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Post by rb924119 Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:33 pm

jmanley32 wrote:BTW, thanks to those that wished me well after my cortizone injection Thursday. Seems I had a much more painful reaction than some. It is also possible he messed up a bit. Shoulder still hurts and is hard to raise arm but yesterday and Friday was the worst. Only think I can think of that you have to go through more intense pain than you were experiencing prior, then that pain wears off and goes back to the original pain and then after a few weeks kicks in. Strange, hoping is sooner than later.

We’re all glad to hear that you’re on the mend, Jman! I don’t have any experience with these things, but I hope what you’re going through right now is worth it in the end.

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Post by jmanley32 Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:36 pm

rb924119 wrote:
jmanley32 wrote:
CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
Dunnzoo wrote:ok, so I know this may be reaching, but maybe someone can help me out with this. If a drainage area of 19.4 miles gets 4" of snow, can you tell me how much rain equivalent it would be going into the reservoir? This is a little over my pay grade. lol

I can't do these calculations and try to decode what RB is talking about in the long range thread. I get a headache thinking about either.
Just did some quick searches on this and it appears to be very complex and depends on how long the rivers are the stramflow at the start of the rain, how much it increases the stream flow, if there is any damning that causes more rise than a river with more free flowing for a lo9nger distance. Interesting question though. I have often wondered this myself.

Maybe I was wrong haha but it doesn’t sound like it should be that complicated..? You’re always going to have some baseline of input. But I think what’s being asked is what amount of additional water would be added as a result of a 4” snow? I would think if you knew the general absorption coefficient for the area, that would give you the amount of immediate runoff. Then from that, you could calculate how much water get into the reservoir right away. Then, you still have some of the absorbed water that gets into surface water table. I believe there is an equation for that as a function of time as well. Apply that to the absorbed water, and then add that to the runoff to get the total amount water that would go into the reservoir. You’re not looking at rates of streamflow, just the amount.

Idk. As I said, I could be wrong haha but that’s how I’d try going about it lol
Yeah my input is never too great and I kind of misread the question. No you are right, I thought it was a question of how much rain that has fallen raises a raiver etc.
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Post by Dunnzoo Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:36 pm

rb924119 wrote:
Dunnzoo wrote:ok, so I know this may be reaching, but maybe someone can help me out with this. If a drainage area of 19.4 miles gets 4" of snow, can you tell me how much rain equivalent it would be going into the reservoir? This is a little over my pay grade. lol

How much liquid went into making the 4” of snow? If you know that, then it becomes a fairly straightforward volume problem, I think…?


I was just thinking that. Maybe if I go back and see what the liquid equivalent was forecast I can figure it out. The 4" of snow in this area was a heavy wet snow, so maybe 8:1 ratio. So that would give me .5" of liquid I guess.

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Snowfall winter of 2020-2021     51.1"
Snowfall winter of 2019-2020       8.5"
Snowfall winter of 2018-2019     25.1"
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Post by Dunnzoo Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:38 pm

rb924119 wrote:
jmanley32 wrote:
CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
Dunnzoo wrote:ok, so I know this may be reaching, but maybe someone can help me out with this. If a drainage area of 19.4 miles gets 4" of snow, can you tell me how much rain equivalent it would be going into the reservoir? This is a little over my pay grade. lol

I can't do these calculations and try to decode what RB is talking about in the long range thread. I get a headache thinking about either.
Just did some quick searches on this and it appears to be very complex and depends on how long the rivers are the stramflow at the start of the rain, how much it increases the stream flow, if there is any damning that causes more rise than a river with more free flowing for a lo9nger distance. Interesting question though. I have often wondered this myself.

Maybe I was wrong haha but it doesn’t sound like it should be that complicated..? You’re always going to have some baseline of input. But I think what’s being asked is what amount of additional water would be added as a result of a 4” snow? I would think if you knew the general absorption coefficient for the area, that would give you the amount of immediate runoff. Then from that, you could calculate how much water get into the reservoir right away. Then, you still have some of the absorbed water that gets into surface water table. I believe there is an equation for that as a function of time as well. Apply that to the absorbed water, and then add that to the runoff to get the total amount water that would go into the reservoir. You’re not looking at rates of streamflow, just the amount.

Idk. As I said, I could be wrong haha but that’s how I’d try going about it lol

oh boy, now my mind is blown. I may just figure what the rain equivalent would have been and then go back in time to see what the effect was on the reservoir the last time we had that amount of rain lol

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Post by rb924119 Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:39 pm

Dunnzoo wrote:
rb924119 wrote:
Dunnzoo wrote:ok, so I know this may be reaching, but maybe someone can help me out with this. If a drainage area of 19.4 miles gets 4" of snow, can you tell me how much rain equivalent it would be going into the reservoir? This is a little over my pay grade. lol

How much liquid went into making the 4” of snow? If you know that, then it becomes a fairly straightforward volume problem, I think…?


I was just thinking that. Maybe if I go back and see what the liquid equivalent was forecast I can figure it out. The 4" of snow in this area was a heavy wet snow, so maybe 8:1 ratio. So that would give me .5" of liquid I guess.

Ok, that’s a start haha I actually still have my hydro book from college. When I get a chance I can leaf through and see if I can find you something if you want Smile

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Post by Frank_Wx Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:44 pm

Dunnzoo wrote:
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Dunnzoo wrote:ok, so I know this may be reaching, but maybe someone can help me out with this. If a drainage area of 19.4 miles gets 4" of snow, can you tell me how much rain equivalent it would be going into the reservoir? This is a little over my pay grade. lol

How much liquid went into making the 4” of snow? If you know that, then it becomes a fairly straightforward volume problem, I think…?


I was just thinking that. Maybe if I go back and see what the liquid equivalent was forecast I can figure it out. The 4" of snow in this area was a heavy wet snow, so maybe 8:1 ratio. So that would give me .5" of liquid I guess.

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Post by Dunnzoo Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:55 pm

Frank_Wx wrote:
Dunnzoo wrote:
rb924119 wrote:
Dunnzoo wrote:ok, so I know this may be reaching, but maybe someone can help me out with this. If a drainage area of 19.4 miles gets 4" of snow, can you tell me how much rain equivalent it would be going into the reservoir? This is a little over my pay grade. lol

How much liquid went into making the 4” of snow? If you know that, then it becomes a fairly straightforward volume problem, I think…?


I was just thinking that. Maybe if I go back and see what the liquid equivalent was forecast I can figure it out. The 4" of snow in this area was a heavy wet snow, so maybe 8:1 ratio. So that would give me .5" of liquid I guess.

Here you go

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Nice! Where did you get this? I also need Rockland County, as that flows into our reservoir.

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Post by Frank_Wx Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:17 pm

Dunnzoo wrote:
Frank_Wx wrote:
Dunnzoo wrote:
rb924119 wrote:
Dunnzoo wrote:ok, so I know this may be reaching, but maybe someone can help me out with this. If a drainage area of 19.4 miles gets 4" of snow, can you tell me how much rain equivalent it would be going into the reservoir? This is a little over my pay grade. lol

How much liquid went into making the 4” of snow? If you know that, then it becomes a fairly straightforward volume problem, I think…?


I was just thinking that. Maybe if I go back and see what the liquid equivalent was forecast I can figure it out. The 4" of snow in this area was a heavy wet snow, so maybe 8:1 ratio. So that would give me .5" of liquid I guess.

Here you go

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Nice! Where did you get this? I also need Rockland County, as that flows into our reservoir.


https://www.njweather.org/maps/

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Post by Frank_Wx Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:37 am

Euro says there will be a Godzilla on the 17th

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Post by nutleyblizzard Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:44 am

Frank_Wx wrote:Euro says there will be a Godzilla on the 17th
What a beaut it is. Takes the perfect BM track and phases with the northern branch. Can only dream at this point.
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Post by sroc4 Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:46 am

Frank_Wx wrote:Euro says there will be a Godzilla on the 17th

Maybe you should start a thread? 😜 😉

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Post by jmanley32 Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:53 am

Frank_Wx wrote:Euro says there will be a Godzilla on the 17th
frank why you keep jinx us! You mentioned the "G" word noooo...there sroc is that superstitious enough lol
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Post by jmanley32 Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:56 am

Looks like sat storm could pack as much a punch as tomorrow. Ugg, ton rain high winds again.
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