Re: Long Range Thread 28.0

[sroc4]

The way this winter has been going I don’t know what to believe

It is all relative to avg though and with avg temperatures rising will it be cold enough or are we really looking at a thread the needle type situation( borrowed a line from Bobby Martrich at epawa). Not that it makes things impossible it surely does not but it’s much more difficult in an already difficult winter.

When it comes to a Strat warming event there is no amateur or prof in the weather field that can give you what will happen with any certainty in any back yard.  This is fact.  I mentioned the strat warm taking place several posts ago, the effects of which typically take about 3weeks +/- to translate to the surface.  How disrupted the Strat PV gets, its relative strength, and probably most important its position in the N Hemisphere will be key to any late season snow chances or not. On top of that the Strat PV at 10mb 30mb and 50mb and their alignment to one another or not...this too plays a role.  What's the MJO doing?  Is there a wave with amplitude?  If so what phase.  So there is alot of unknowns at this time.  What appears to be certain is that the next 2-3weeks dont show much in the way of snow chances in our board coverage area.  3 weeks puts us at and around March 10-12th.  It has snowed later that that to our NW and down to the coat before and it will again.  Will it this year?  We will find out.  All the negative nancies feel free to chime in with your "Its over" posts in Banter.  Everyone else sit tight until we get to March and see what evolves.  Maybe we get one or two more chances, and maybe we dont.  Cheers!

....Re the end of winter...if end of this week threat doesn't work out, and by all accts that seems likely, then current modeling hints at the idea that snow chances while not 0%, will be VERY very hard to come by through at  least the first 7-10days of March.  That said there is a strat warming going on, the results of which tend to take about 3 weeks or so to show up.  So while modeling does not show a lot in the way of winter weather, Id argue that a late season run of a storm or two is still on the table.  Obv late in the season always favors off the coast, but doesn't exclude the coastal plain.  Storm track has to be right....

That is all for now

[Frank_Wx]

I have a strange feeling we could see one final shot of snow in mid to late March. But yea, the storm threat that was once supposed to be this weekend is dead. Mostly for reasons I feared would happen regarding the Pacific. Of course its the Pacific. Who else.

[nutleyblizzard]

I have a strange feeling we could see one final shot of snow in mid to late March. But yea, the storm threat that was once supposed to be this weekend is dead. Mostly for reasons I feared would happen regarding the Pacific. Of course its the Pacific. Who else.

The raging Pacific jet has been a big deterrent the past several years. My question is which no one can truly answer is will this be a long term or worse permanent feature in the years to come? If so it won’t matter what enso state we’re in. It’ll just be another poor winter on tap.

[docstox12]

I have a strange feeling we could see one final shot of snow in mid to late March. But yea, the storm threat that was once supposed to be this weekend is dead. Mostly for reasons I feared would happen regarding the Pacific. Of course its the Pacific. Who else.

The raging Pacific jet has been a big deterrent the past several years. My question is which no one can truly answer is will this be a long term or worse permanent feature in the years to come? If so it won’t matter what enso state we’re in. It’ll just be another poor winter on tap.

I was thinking the only thing to monitor from now on is the Pac Jet.Seems to cancel out all the other telleconnections that are looked at.

[Frank_Wx]

https://x.com/wxpatel/status/1758950258858447096?s=46&t=khIuo-joMGhpKcLk0g9Y4g

[nutleyblizzard]

https://x.com/wxpatel/status/1758950258858447096?s=46&t=khIuo-joMGhpKcLk0g9Y4g

My guess is that next winter we’ll be in a weak Niña regime which typically gives our best winters after a strong Nino. However like I posted earlier it will be for naught if the Pacific fire hose jet continues.

[amugs]

Great article on what I was saying about the drastic warming off the Eastern Australia Coast this winter in just months, talks about the underwater volcanoes and vents that may just be the answer and the answer to our warming oceans.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/how-hydrothermal-vents-and-other-seabed-structures-heat-our-oceans/

A great thread and other links to other articles - very interesting

Human activities are NOT warming Earth’s oceans: Emissions of super-heated fluids and gases from the estimated 10 million ocean floor geological features, including hydrothermal vents, are responsible for warming Earth’s oceans.https://t.co/cgwVyGouwO pic.twitter.com/0JBdPiQs6s

— WillyPhD (@willynerdal1) February 21, 2024

[amugs]

Interesting SSW foercast - would make for a delayed spring. Seemsto be a norm lately

(1/) Hearing a lot on about a "third" #SSW; however, based on the most common definition for SSWs, if the events are separated by less than 20 consecutive days of westerlies, as is currently forecast, it won't be considered "separate" from the event a couple of days ago.... pic.twitter.com/JDuHojHvkH

— Dr. Amy H Butler (@DrAHButler) February 21, 2024

[amugs]

Greenland block showing up

[toople]

Lol, we can’t get cold and snowy winters and nice and warm spring.

[amugs]

MJO Fight and who's gonna be right?? From wx bell and JB

GEFS


EURO


Vertical Velocity models - green shows wet convection areas
EURO


GEFS


Phases of MJO
Look similar but GEFS is more concentrated west of Australia which is phase 3


Time will tell but IF GEFS are correct then pattern flips late next week.

[essexcountypete]

Great article on what I was saying about the drastic warming off the Eastern Australia Coast this winter in just months, talks about the underwater volcanoes and vents that may just be the answer and the answer to our warming oceans.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/how-hydrothermal-vents-and-other-seabed-structures-heat-our-oceans/

A great thread and other links to other articles - very interesting

Human activities are NOT warming Earth’s oceans: Emissions of super-heated fluids and gases from the estimated 10 million ocean floor geological features, including hydrothermal vents, are responsible for warming Earth’s oceans.https://t.co/cgwVyGouwO pic.twitter.com/0JBdPiQs6s

— WillyPhD (@willynerdal1) February 21, 2024

I know you guys love it when I chime in on these posts, but I can't help it. For those of us who agree with the scientific consensus on climate change, Climate Change Dispatch is not the most credible resource.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/climate-change-dispatch/
"Overall, we rate Climate Change Dispatch as a Conspiracy and Quackery level Pseudoscience source for the promotion of false or misleading information..."

The website is run by Tom Harris...
https://www.desmog.com/tom-harris/
"Tom Harris is the Executive Director of the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC), a group of climate change skeptics that has received funding from the Heartland Institute. Before starting work with ICSC, Harris was the Executive Director of the now-defunct Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP).2 3
Prior to working with the NRSP, Harris was a Former Director of Operations at the Canadian PR and lobbying firm called the High Park Group (HPG). Previously, Harris was an Associate with APCO Worldwide, a group known for creating The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC) which worked to advance tobacco industry
According to Harris’s archived profile at APCO Worldwide, “Specifically, he has worked with oil and gas, coal, nuclear, environmental and aerospace clients for whom he has conducted effective media and public relations campaigns.” His profile also highlights how he has “worked with private companies and trade associations to successfully position these entities and their interests with media and before various government committees and regulatory bodies.”6"

I get that not everyone here buys into the scientific consensus but it's important to know the background of any information resource.

[sroc4]

Great article on what I was saying about the drastic warming off the Eastern Australia Coast this winter in just months, talks about the underwater volcanoes and vents that may just be the answer and the answer to our warming oceans.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/how-hydrothermal-vents-and-other-seabed-structures-heat-our-oceans/

A great thread and other links to other articles - very interesting

Human activities are NOT warming Earth’s oceans: Emissions of super-heated fluids and gases from the estimated 10 million ocean floor geological features, including hydrothermal vents, are responsible for warming Earth’s oceans.https://t.co/cgwVyGouwO pic.twitter.com/0JBdPiQs6s

— WillyPhD (@willynerdal1) February 21, 2024

I know you guys love it when I chime in on these posts, but I can't help it. For those of us who agree with the scientific consensus on climate change, Climate Change Dispatch is not the most credible resource.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/climate-change-dispatch/
"Overall, we rate Climate Change Dispatch as a Conspiracy and Quackery level Pseudoscience source for the promotion of false or misleading information..."

The website is run by Tom Harris...
https://www.desmog.com/tom-harris/
"Tom Harris is the Executive Director of the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC), a group of climate change skeptics that has received funding from the Heartland Institute. Before starting work with ICSC, Harris was the Executive Director of the now-defunct Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP).2 3
Prior to working with the NRSP, Harris was a Former Director of Operations at the Canadian PR and lobbying firm called the High Park Group (HPG). Previously, Harris was an Associate with APCO Worldwide, a group known for creating The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC) which worked to advance tobacco industry
According to Harris’s archived profile at APCO Worldwide, “Specifically, he has worked with oil and gas, coal, nuclear, environmental and aerospace clients for whom he has conducted effective media and public relations campaigns.” His profile also highlights how he has “worked with private companies and trade associations to successfully position these entities and their interests with media and before various government committees and regulatory bodies.”6"

I get that not everyone here buys into the scientific consensus but it's important to know the background of any information resource.

Pete these fact checkers are as big a nonsense as what your claims are.  Its just silly.  The "fact checkers" of the world are as slanted as the left and right side.  There isnt anything on this fact checkers page that disputes the validity of the claims, simply attempts to discredit the individual who makes the claim; therefore, the info must be bad info.  And your words, "disputing the science consensus" is not an argument.  You clearly have zero clue how science works.  I honestly dont say this with disrespect.  I simply mean pretty much EVER SINGLE breakthrough in science has come from those brave enough to challenge the consensus.  THIS IS FACT.  

You're smarter than this Pete.  I know you are.  Don't get lulled into the "consensus" as being fact.  True science knows that the consensus is only what the majority believe based on the information available or in todays world the information allowed to presented and discussed.

[heehaw453]

https://x.com/wxpatel/status/1758950258858447096?s=46&t=khIuo-joMGhpKcLk0g9Y4g

And yet 26" seasonal snowfall IMBY with 17 days of snow depth w/out getting into the single digits one time. Last year a bit more than 6" of snowfall none of which lasted more than 24 hours. Everyone has their own criteria for what makes a winter good, but IMO it comes down to capitalizing on the window when it opens. This could have easily been as snowless as last year for IMBY if not for hitting on the windows and thankful for that.

[billg315]

https://x.com/wxpatel/status/1758950258858447096?s=46&t=khIuo-joMGhpKcLk0g9Y4g

And yet 26" seasonal snowfall IMBY with 17 days of snow depth w/out getting into the single digits one time. Last year a bit more than 6" of snowfall none of which lasted more than 24 hours. Everyone has their own criteria for what makes a winter good, but IMO it comes down to capitalizing on the window when it opens. This could have easily been as snowless as last year for IMBY if not for hitting on the windows and thankful for that.

This winter was much better for me in the snowfall department (not even close in fact to last year) with near normal snowfall, (last year didn't have any storm exceed 1" of snow) and 5 different measurable snow events. We also frankly had two pretty good stretches of cold air, one in mid-January and one in mid-Feb (Jan. 15-21 I had 7 straight days of below freezing temps which for my area was 8-10 degrees below normal). But just goes to show that average winter temperatures will not always correlate to snow totals if we get lucky with storm timing, and that higher average temperatures (which can be affected by several days of extreme AN temps) don't always mean a complete lack of cold air.

[Irish]

Great article on what I was saying about the drastic warming off the Eastern Australia Coast this winter in just months, talks about the underwater volcanoes and vents that may just be the answer and the answer to our warming oceans.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/how-hydrothermal-vents-and-other-seabed-structures-heat-our-oceans/

A great thread and other links to other articles - very interesting

Human activities are NOT warming Earth’s oceans: Emissions of super-heated fluids and gases from the estimated 10 million ocean floor geological features, including hydrothermal vents, are responsible for warming Earth’s oceans.https://t.co/cgwVyGouwO pic.twitter.com/0JBdPiQs6s

— WillyPhD (@willynerdal1) February 21, 2024

I know you guys love it when I chime in on these posts, but I can't help it. For those of us who agree with the scientific consensus on climate change, Climate Change Dispatch is not the most credible resource.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/climate-change-dispatch/
"Overall, we rate Climate Change Dispatch as a Conspiracy and Quackery level Pseudoscience source for the promotion of false or misleading information..."

The website is run by Tom Harris...
https://www.desmog.com/tom-harris/
"Tom Harris is the Executive Director of the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC), a group of climate change skeptics that has received funding from the Heartland Institute. Before starting work with ICSC, Harris was the Executive Director of the now-defunct Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP).2 3
Prior to working with the NRSP, Harris was a Former Director of Operations at the Canadian PR and lobbying firm called the High Park Group (HPG). Previously, Harris was an Associate with APCO Worldwide, a group known for creating The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC) which worked to advance tobacco industry
According to Harris’s archived profile at APCO Worldwide, “Specifically, he has worked with oil and gas, coal, nuclear, environmental and aerospace clients for whom he has conducted effective media and public relations campaigns.” His profile also highlights how he has “worked with private companies and trade associations to successfully position these entities and their interests with media and before various government committees and regulatory bodies.”6"

I get that not everyone here buys into the scientific consensus but it's important to know the background of any information resource.

Pete these fact checkers are as big a nonsense as what your claims are.  Its just silly.  The "fact checkers" of the world are as slanted as the left and right side.  There isnt anything on this fact checkers page that disputes the validity of the claims, simply attempts to discredit the individual who makes the claim; therefore, the info must be bad info.  And your words, "disputing the science consensus" is not an argument.  You clearly have zero clue how science works.  I honestly dont say this with disrespect.  I simply mean pretty much EVER SINGLE breakthrough in science has come from those brave enough to challenge the consensus.  THIS IS FACT.  

You're smarter than this Pete.  I know you are.  Don't get lulled into the "consensus" as being fact.  True science knows that the consensus is only what the majority believe based on the information available or in todays world the information allowed to presented and discussed.

So climate change isn't real?  The human created geological era we've entered of mass extinction of Flora and fauna isn't real?  Ignoring consensus because it doesn't agree with your point of view, is rational?

[docstox12]

https://x.com/wxpatel/status/1758950258858447096?s=46&t=khIuo-joMGhpKcLk0g9Y4g

This was NOT what most long range forecasts were saying back in November, we were supposed to get much colder and "massive" snowstorms here in the NE.If I had that kind of accuracy the days I was actively trading , and the stock analysts I followed were as bad as these weather people, I would be flat broke,LOL.Back to the drawing board, guys.Think Frank mentioned the Pacific was the cause.Maybe just focus on that, seems to take priority over all the other things that are modeled.
Anyway, my analog observations told me by mid December this winter was in trouble.Too many cutter rainstorms was setting a bad pattern.Oh well, maybe a mid to late March surprise.

[WeatherBob]

Winter is over as far as snow is concerned. Unless we get an upper level low spin down out of Canada with cold air and a bit of snow in Early to mid March. That’s it!

[docstox12]

Winter is over as far as snow is concerned. Unless we get an upper level low spin down out of Canada with cold air and a bit of snow in Early to mid March.  That’s it!

Coming week has a rainstorm Tues-Weds and mild temperatures.That will put Feb. 2024 in the books.Still not giving up on more snow until Mar. 15th and the long term looks bad.

[sroc4]

Great article on what I was saying about the drastic warming off the Eastern Australia Coast this winter in just months, talks about the underwater volcanoes and vents that may just be the answer and the answer to our warming oceans.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/how-hydrothermal-vents-and-other-seabed-structures-heat-our-oceans/

A great thread and other links to other articles - very interesting

Human activities are NOT warming Earth’s oceans: Emissions of super-heated fluids and gases from the estimated 10 million ocean floor geological features, including hydrothermal vents, are responsible for warming Earth’s oceans.https://t.co/cgwVyGouwO pic.twitter.com/0JBdPiQs6s

— WillyPhD (@willynerdal1) February 21, 2024

I know you guys love it when I chime in on these posts, but I can't help it. For those of us who agree with the scientific consensus on climate change, Climate Change Dispatch is not the most credible resource.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/climate-change-dispatch/
"Overall, we rate Climate Change Dispatch as a Conspiracy and Quackery level Pseudoscience source for the promotion of false or misleading information..."

The website is run by Tom Harris...
https://www.desmog.com/tom-harris/
"Tom Harris is the Executive Director of the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC), a group of climate change skeptics that has received funding from the Heartland Institute. Before starting work with ICSC, Harris was the Executive Director of the now-defunct Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP).2 3
Prior to working with the NRSP, Harris was a Former Director of Operations at the Canadian PR and lobbying firm called the High Park Group (HPG). Previously, Harris was an Associate with APCO Worldwide, a group known for creating The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC) which worked to advance tobacco industry
According to Harris’s archived profile at APCO Worldwide, “Specifically, he has worked with oil and gas, coal, nuclear, environmental and aerospace clients for whom he has conducted effective media and public relations campaigns.” His profile also highlights how he has “worked with private companies and trade associations to successfully position these entities and their interests with media and before various government committees and regulatory bodies.”6"

I get that not everyone here buys into the scientific consensus but it's important to know the background of any information resource.

Pete these fact checkers are as big a nonsense as what your claims are.  Its just silly.  The "fact checkers" of the world are as slanted as the left and right side.  There isnt anything on this fact checkers page that disputes the validity of the claims, simply attempts to discredit the individual who makes the claim; therefore, the info must be bad info.  And your words, "disputing the science consensus" is not an argument.  You clearly have zero clue how science works.  I honestly dont say this with disrespect.  I simply mean pretty much EVER SINGLE breakthrough in science has come from those brave enough to challenge the consensus.  THIS IS FACT.  

You're smarter than this Pete.  I know you are.  Don't get lulled into the "consensus" as being fact.  True science knows that the consensus is only what the majority believe based on the information available or in todays world the information allowed to presented and discussed.

So climate change isn't real?  The human created geological era we've entered of mass extinction of Flora and fauna isn't real?  Ignoring consensus because it doesn't agree with your point of view, is rational?

Irish. For the love of God. Find me a post where I said climate change isn’t real? Never once have I stated that man and CO2 isn’t playing a role. That said the Climate has been changing for billions of years. My point is is that the idea that the climate science you are referring to is settled is simply ludicrous. And if don’t understand what is meant by that then I don’t have the time to have the discussion with you. If you dont understand that the greatest advances in any area of science have come because someone decided challenge the consensus then you my friend are the one who is simply ignoring other ideas because it goes against your beliefs.

[WeatherBob]

I have an idea, how about someone start a separate thread called Climate. Not climate change, not climate hoax etc..
. Just Climate so everyone can express thier opinions in the correct forum.

[dkodgis]

I agree with you WeatherBob. Will cost Frank more bandwidth but yes, this is a good idea IMHO

[Irish]

Great article on what I was saying about the drastic warming off the Eastern Australia Coast this winter in just months, talks about the underwater volcanoes and vents that may just be the answer and the answer to our warming oceans.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/how-hydrothermal-vents-and-other-seabed-structures-heat-our-oceans/

A great thread and other links to other articles - very interesting

Human activities are NOT warming Earth’s oceans: Emissions of super-heated fluids and gases from the estimated 10 million ocean floor geological features, including hydrothermal vents, are responsible for warming Earth’s oceans.https://t.co/cgwVyGouwO pic.twitter.com/0JBdPiQs6s

— WillyPhD (@willynerdal1) February 21, 2024

I know you guys love it when I chime in on these posts, but I can't help it. For those of us who agree with the scientific consensus on climate change, Climate Change Dispatch is not the most credible resource.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/climate-change-dispatch/
"Overall, we rate Climate Change Dispatch as a Conspiracy and Quackery level Pseudoscience source for the promotion of false or misleading information..."

The website is run by Tom Harris...
https://www.desmog.com/tom-harris/
"Tom Harris is the Executive Director of the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC), a group of climate change skeptics that has received funding from the Heartland Institute. Before starting work with ICSC, Harris was the Executive Director of the now-defunct Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP).2 3
Prior to working with the NRSP, Harris was a Former Director of Operations at the Canadian PR and lobbying firm called the High Park Group (HPG). Previously, Harris was an Associate with APCO Worldwide, a group known for creating The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC) which worked to advance tobacco industry
According to Harris’s archived profile at APCO Worldwide, “Specifically, he has worked with oil and gas, coal, nuclear, environmental and aerospace clients for whom he has conducted effective media and public relations campaigns.” His profile also highlights how he has “worked with private companies and trade associations to successfully position these entities and their interests with media and before various government committees and regulatory bodies.”6"

I get that not everyone here buys into the scientific consensus but it's important to know the background of any information resource.

Pete these fact checkers are as big a nonsense as what your claims are.  Its just silly.  The "fact checkers" of the world are as slanted as the left and right side.  There isnt anything on this fact checkers page that disputes the validity of the claims, simply attempts to discredit the individual who makes the claim; therefore, the info must be bad info.  And your words, "disputing the science consensus" is not an argument.  You clearly have zero clue how science works.  I honestly dont say this with disrespect.  I simply mean pretty much EVER SINGLE breakthrough in science has come from those brave enough to challenge the consensus.  THIS IS FACT.  

You're smarter than this Pete.  I know you are.  Don't get lulled into the "consensus" as being fact.  True science knows that the consensus is only what the majority believe based on the information available or in todays world the information allowed to presented and discussed.

So climate change isn't real?  The human created geological era we've entered of mass extinction of Flora and fauna isn't real?  Ignoring consensus because it doesn't agree with your point of view, is rational?

Irish. For the love of God. Find me a post where I said climate change isn’t real?  Never once have I stated that man and CO2 isn’t playing a role. That said the Climate has been changing for billions of years. My point is is that the idea that the climate science you are referring to is settled is simply ludicrous.  And if don’t understand what is meant by that then I don’t have the time to have the discussion with you. If you dont understand that the greatest advances in any area of science have come because someone decided challenge the consensus then you my friend are the one who is simply ignoring other ideas because it goes against your beliefs.  

I was just asking where you stood.  I'm trying to decide if a meaningful conversation is even possible.  If I heard back that you were completely a thorough Trumpy coming from the right, then I know to back away from the table slowly.  I completely understand how the Science works, I'm a science teacher and work with my kids on the scientific method doing labs all the time.  I would never ignore others ideas and turn a blind eye to them and even though I've done a fair amount of research and believe that humans are a major cause of the changes we're seeing with the climate and mass extinction of plants and animals currently happening today, I'm always open to hearing someone tell me how we're not.

[Math23x7]

[sroc4]

Great article on what I was saying about the drastic warming off the Eastern Australia Coast this winter in just months, talks about the underwater volcanoes and vents that may just be the answer and the answer to our warming oceans.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/how-hydrothermal-vents-and-other-seabed-structures-heat-our-oceans/

A great thread and other links to other articles - very interesting

Human activities are NOT warming Earth’s oceans: Emissions of super-heated fluids and gases from the estimated 10 million ocean floor geological features, including hydrothermal vents, are responsible for warming Earth’s oceans.https://t.co/cgwVyGouwO pic.twitter.com/0JBdPiQs6s

— WillyPhD (@willynerdal1) February 21, 2024

I know you guys love it when I chime in on these posts, but I can't help it. For those of us who agree with the scientific consensus on climate change, Climate Change Dispatch is not the most credible resource.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/climate-change-dispatch/
"Overall, we rate Climate Change Dispatch as a Conspiracy and Quackery level Pseudoscience source for the promotion of false or misleading information..."

The website is run by Tom Harris...
https://www.desmog.com/tom-harris/
"Tom Harris is the Executive Director of the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC), a group of climate change skeptics that has received funding from the Heartland Institute. Before starting work with ICSC, Harris was the Executive Director of the now-defunct Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP).2 3
Prior to working with the NRSP, Harris was a Former Director of Operations at the Canadian PR and lobbying firm called the High Park Group (HPG). Previously, Harris was an Associate with APCO Worldwide, a group known for creating The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC) which worked to advance tobacco industry
According to Harris’s archived profile at APCO Worldwide, “Specifically, he has worked with oil and gas, coal, nuclear, environmental and aerospace clients for whom he has conducted effective media and public relations campaigns.” His profile also highlights how he has “worked with private companies and trade associations to successfully position these entities and their interests with media and before various government committees and regulatory bodies.”6"

I get that not everyone here buys into the scientific consensus but it's important to know the background of any information resource.

Pete these fact checkers are as big a nonsense as what your claims are.  Its just silly.  The "fact checkers" of the world are as slanted as the left and right side.  There isnt anything on this fact checkers page that disputes the validity of the claims, simply attempts to discredit the individual who makes the claim; therefore, the info must be bad info.  And your words, "disputing the science consensus" is not an argument.  You clearly have zero clue how science works.  I honestly dont say this with disrespect.  I simply mean pretty much EVER SINGLE breakthrough in science has come from those brave enough to challenge the consensus.  THIS IS FACT.  

You're smarter than this Pete.  I know you are.  Don't get lulled into the "consensus" as being fact.  True science knows that the consensus is only what the majority believe based on the information available or in todays world the information allowed to presented and discussed.

So climate change isn't real?  The human created geological era we've entered of mass extinction of Flora and fauna isn't real?  Ignoring consensus because it doesn't agree with your point of view, is rational?

Irish. For the love of God. Find me a post where I said climate change isn’t real?  Never once have I stated that man and CO2 isn’t playing a role. That said the Climate has been changing for billions of years. My point is is that the idea that the climate science you are referring to is settled is simply ludicrous.  And if don’t understand what is meant by that then I don’t have the time to have the discussion with you. If you dont understand that the greatest advances in any area of science have come because someone decided challenge the consensus then you my friend are the one who is simply ignoring other ideas because it goes against your beliefs.  

I was just asking where you stood.  I'm trying to decide if a meaningful conversation is even possible.  If I heard back that you were completely a thorough Trumpy coming from the right, then I know to back away from the table slowly.  I completely understand how the Science works, I'm a science teacher and work with my kids on the scientific method doing labs all the time.  I would never ignore others ideas and turn a blind eye to them and even though I've done a fair amount of research and believe that humans are a major cause of the changes we're seeing with the climate and mass extinction of plants and animals currently happening today, I'm always open to hearing someone tell me how we're not.

“Trumpy coming from the right”? Man this tells me quite a bit about you. A discussion about climate should have nothing to do with who someone votes for. The fact that you used that phase tells me everything I need to know.

[Irish]

Great article on what I was saying about the drastic warming off the Eastern Australia Coast this winter in just months, talks about the underwater volcanoes and vents that may just be the answer and the answer to our warming oceans.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/how-hydrothermal-vents-and-other-seabed-structures-heat-our-oceans/

A great thread and other links to other articles - very interesting

Human activities are NOT warming Earth’s oceans: Emissions of super-heated fluids and gases from the estimated 10 million ocean floor geological features, including hydrothermal vents, are responsible for warming Earth’s oceans.https://t.co/cgwVyGouwO pic.twitter.com/0JBdPiQs6s

— WillyPhD (@willynerdal1) February 21, 2024

I know you guys love it when I chime in on these posts, but I can't help it. For those of us who agree with the scientific consensus on climate change, Climate Change Dispatch is not the most credible resource.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/climate-change-dispatch/
"Overall, we rate Climate Change Dispatch as a Conspiracy and Quackery level Pseudoscience source for the promotion of false or misleading information..."

The website is run by Tom Harris...
https://www.desmog.com/tom-harris/
"Tom Harris is the Executive Director of the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC), a group of climate change skeptics that has received funding from the Heartland Institute. Before starting work with ICSC, Harris was the Executive Director of the now-defunct Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP).2 3
Prior to working with the NRSP, Harris was a Former Director of Operations at the Canadian PR and lobbying firm called the High Park Group (HPG). Previously, Harris was an Associate with APCO Worldwide, a group known for creating The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC) which worked to advance tobacco industry
According to Harris’s archived profile at APCO Worldwide, “Specifically, he has worked with oil and gas, coal, nuclear, environmental and aerospace clients for whom he has conducted effective media and public relations campaigns.” His profile also highlights how he has “worked with private companies and trade associations to successfully position these entities and their interests with media and before various government committees and regulatory bodies.”6"

I get that not everyone here buys into the scientific consensus but it's important to know the background of any information resource.

Pete these fact checkers are as big a nonsense as what your claims are.  Its just silly.  The "fact checkers" of the world are as slanted as the left and right side.  There isnt anything on this fact checkers page that disputes the validity of the claims, simply attempts to discredit the individual who makes the claim; therefore, the info must be bad info.  And your words, "disputing the science consensus" is not an argument.  You clearly have zero clue how science works.  I honestly dont say this with disrespect.  I simply mean pretty much EVER SINGLE breakthrough in science has come from those brave enough to challenge the consensus.  THIS IS FACT.  

You're smarter than this Pete.  I know you are.  Don't get lulled into the "consensus" as being fact.  True science knows that the consensus is only what the majority believe based on the information available or in todays world the information allowed to presented and discussed.

So climate change isn't real?  The human created geological era we've entered of mass extinction of Flora and fauna isn't real?  Ignoring consensus because it doesn't agree with your point of view, is rational?

Irish. For the love of God. Find me a post where I said climate change isn’t real?  Never once have I stated that man and CO2 isn’t playing a role. That said the Climate has been changing for billions of years. My point is is that the idea that the climate science you are referring to is settled is simply ludicrous.  And if don’t understand what is meant by that then I don’t have the time to have the discussion with you. If you dont understand that the greatest advances in any area of science have come because someone decided challenge the consensus then you my friend are the one who is simply ignoring other ideas because it goes against your beliefs.  

I was just asking where you stood.  I'm trying to decide if a meaningful conversation is even possible.  If I heard back that you were completely a thorough Trumpy coming from the right, then I know to back away from the table slowly.  I completely understand how the Science works, I'm a science teacher and work with my kids on the scientific method doing labs all the time.  I would never ignore others ideas and turn a blind eye to them and even though I've done a fair amount of research and believe that humans are a major cause of the changes we're seeing with the climate and mass extinction of plants and animals currently happening today, I'm always open to hearing someone tell me how we're not.

“Trumpy coming from the right”?  Man this tells me quite a bit about you. A discussion about climate should have nothing to do with who someone votes for.  The fact that you used that phase tells me everything I need to know.  

Unfortunately, it has everything to do with it. And the fact that you don't think it does is extremely naive and ironic. And what about me do my statements tell you other than I don't like to have discussions with people who are very far down the rabbit hole and refuse to see other perspectives?  I'm curious because these statements come off as very judgmental, defensive and narrow-minded.

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I have an idea, how about someone start a separate thread called Climate.  Not climate change, not climate hoax etc..
. Just Climate so everyone can express thier opinions in the correct forum.

If I was a moderator here, and I am not, all discussions regarding climate change would be banned.We are a local weather observation site and climate discussions ultimately become toxic and divisive, much like religion and politics.I am sure there are dozens of sites dedicated to that issue, so go over there and post your thoughts.This board has been a breath of fresh air in this terribly angry and toxic environment of "us against them" in this country today.Anyway, that's my two cents on this issue.

Peace, out.

Doc

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