Re: March Madness! Spring Snowstorm Observations

by **Frank_Wx** Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:11 am

The top image is Deep Thunder and the bottom one is GEM-LAM

by **amugs** Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:11 am

NWS snow map
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WPC much more conservative
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ARW which have not wavered with this storm

From a couple for pro mets - 6Z NAM was a burp adn needs to be tossed for it SLP depiction. That should ease some of the panic in here

by **Frank_Wx** Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:12 am

billg315 wrote:I'm not sure I get all the talk of eastward trends? From what I've seen, ONE model (the NAM) jumped east last night. That happens to be the model that was waaaay WEST at 0z yesterday evening. Not sure I would trust the model that had 20" of snow in NW NJ last at 0Z and then suddenly flurries at 6z run, when other models are staying more consistent. All the other models are status quo more or less. As for cutoffs, if we're talking about PA and far NW NJ, there's always been a good chance of a sharp cutoff there (look at my snow map yesterday, which was done before any east shift in the NAM).

You are correct. Though some models struggle with taking the SLP north of a certain latitude. It never gets to the BM. Instead it moves due east. EURO hinted at this last night, hence the lighter totals to the north. Difference with NAM and EURO though is EURO manages to tap into the dynamics and still get banding into our area.

by **CPcantmeasuresnow** Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:13 am

I think this is overdone but who knows at this point. This is 8 PM tomorrow and still snowing. I'd sign for that 11 inches right now and run with it.

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by **Taffy** Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:22 am

amugs; From a couple for pro mets - 6Z NAM was a burp and needs to be tossed for it SLP depiction. That should ease some of the panic in here

I won't feel safe until Frank picks a banner and we are out of "Storm Mode". Laughing

by **Frank_Wx** Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:25 am

09z SREFS

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by **aiannone** Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:26 am

Frank_Wx wrote:09z SREFS

Mean is about 9” for NYC on east

by **CPcantmeasuresnow** Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:32 am

aiannone wrote:
Frank_Wx wrote:09z SREFS

Mean is about 9” for NYC on east

The SREFS always seem to overdo the precipitation amounts at least in my mind. Is that a false perception of mine or do you find the same thing? I'm throwing this out there to anyone to answer.

by **Frank_Wx** Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:35 am

CP, I find them to over-do qpf as well but that is why it's important to understand current observations. There is a lot of convection firing up in the south. Tight pressure gradients to our north will bring about frontogenesis over NJ and NYC. Not sure how far north that frontogenesis gets. GFS has it over NYC Metro and just N&W.

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by adamfitz1969 Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:58 am

NAM showing improvements, the 6z was a blip. Even storm 1 has improved.

by **Quietace** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:07 am

CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:I think this is overdone but who knows at this point. This is 8 PM tomorrow and still snowing. I'd sign for that 11 inches right now and run with it.

The ARW cores are trash.

by **aiannone** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:09 am

12z NAM nukes LI, NENJ, and NYC

by **aiannone** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:12 am

4pm Wednesday:
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by **aiannone** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:13 am

All snow this run. Cut out the sleet

by adamfitz1969 Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:15 am

This is blizzard territory. What a run.

by **Scullybutcher** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:17 am

aiannone wrote:12z NAM nukes LI, NENJ, and NYC

I like the sound of that

by **algae888** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:19 am

aiannone wrote:12z NAM nukes LI, NENJ, and NYC

Okay I'm all in now nam crushes us. What really S
telling is my temperature right now 30 degrees with a dew point of 9 I believe whatever Falls tonight and tomorrow will have no problem accumulating my grass was frozen this morning

by **jmanley32** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:23 am

12z nam major Godzilla and def possible b word!! 12 plus and a spot in NJ just SW of NYC with 20 wow.

by **jmanley32** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:24 am

algae888 wrote:
aiannone wrote:12z NAM nukes LI, NENJ, and NYC
Okay I'm all in now nam crushes us. What really S
telling is my temperature right now 30 degrees with a dew point of 9 I believe whatever Falls tonight and tomorrow will have no problem accumulating my grass was frozen this morning

I'm excited Al hoping we finally get our biggie this year!!

by **aiannone** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:24 am

by **amugs** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:25 am

NAM!!!!!!!!!

by **amugs** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:26 am

From a couple for pro mets - 6Z NAM was a burp adn needs to be tossed for it SLP depiction. That should ease some of the panic in here!!
Well well - easy now fancy pants - NAM has just dropped teh Mic Peeps - NWS is on this biggly!

by **amugs** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:28 am

Upton hinting at possible now dont blow teh roof here but possibly hoisting B warnings for LI and then redressing for NYC Metro. I know Goodman from Upton and he said they just are waiting for 12Z suite to finish - need a little more support but it is on the table for NYC Metro.

by **aiannone** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:29 am

by **CPcantmeasuresnow** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:30 am

algae888 wrote:
aiannone wrote:12z NAM nukes LI, NENJ, and NYC
Okay I'm all in now nam crushes us. What really S
telling is my temperature right now 30 degrees with a dew point of 9 I believe whatever Falls tonight and tomorrow will have no problem accumulating my grass was frozen this morning

Al you have been very noticeably absent from this one?

Depression from the last three? Scared of getting shafted again? We've all been there.

by **aiannone** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:30 am

amugs wrote:Upton hinting at possible now dont blow teh roof here but possibly hoisting B warnings for LI and then redressing for NYC Metro. I know Goodman from Upton and he said they just are waiting for 12Z suite to finish - need a little more support but it is on the table for NYC Metro.

Woah so blizzard warnings should be issued within an hour or 2?

by **jimv45** Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:31 am

I will take the latest Nam for southern Dutchess, but boy northern areas get the shaft big time.

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