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jmanley32- Senior Enthusiast
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Re: Hurricane Season 2020-Active Season-
I’m in Suffolk County. I’m in for alittle over 2”. I expected much more. I guess the track gets most west
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Old timer for rai. Yes but you'll get the winds more.
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oldtimer wrote:I’m in Suffolk County. I’m in for alittle over 2”. I expected much more. I guess the track gets most west
Old timer. Because the system Interacts with The trough it will transition from a tropical low to a hybrid system. Once this interaction takes place baroclinic(temperature) driven forcing takes over shifting the moisture field to the NW quadrant. Picture the comma shaped nor’easter. As a result the eastern side of the LP center will be much drier the the western side.
We shall see if any of those totals actually come to fruition. The speed at which it races northeast could cut down on the totals. ESP the eastern side but even the western side. Several inches will still likely fall on the western side but if a model prints out 5” don’t be surprised if it’s more like 2-3” when all is said and done. That said if it’s slower than forecast all bets are off.
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Re: Hurricane Season 2020-Active Season-
But 3-5" of rain in a short time is no good, flooding will be a problem. I'm hoping we are more in the eye, keep the rain more west.
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Scott do you think the ukie wind gust shown even 10mph less as mugs said are possible if so there's go be a lot power outages from Jersey to long Island. I zoomed in on the map and shows 77mph gust for my area so 67moh which isnt good with full leaves. The further east you go the higher the gusts are on ukie. Also depends on intensity and speed too in terms of duration as you said. I ask cuz no other model shows quite that high though HMON shows easily 70 mph gusts for large part eastern side. You say he goes hybrid but nhc does not show this till in Maine.sroc4 wrote:oldtimer wrote:I’m in Suffolk County. I’m in for alittle over 2”. I expected much more. I guess the track gets most west
Old timer. Because the system Interacts with The trough it will transition from a tropical low to a hybrid system. Once this interaction takes place baroclinic(temperature) driven forcing takes over shifting the moisture field to the NW quadrant. Picture the comma shaped nor’easter. As a result the eastern side of the LP center will be much drier the the western side.
We shall see if any of those totals actually come to fruition. The speed at which it races northeast could cut down on the totals. ESP the eastern side but even the western side. Several inches will still likely fall on the western side but if a model prints out 5” don’t be surprised if it’s more like 2-3” when all is said and done. That said if it’s slower than forecast all bets are off.
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Increased somewhat, thinking he could gain hurricane again b4 next landfall around SC, just MO.
5:00 PM EDT Sun Aug 2
Location: 27.8°N 79.8°W
Moving: NNW at 9 mph
Min pressure: 994 mb
Max sustained: 70 mph
TS watches issued rest of EC
5:00 PM EDT Sun Aug 2
Location: 27.8°N 79.8°W
Moving: NNW at 9 mph
Min pressure: 994 mb
Max sustained: 70 mph
TS watches issued rest of EC
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jmanley32 wrote:very impressive windfield being found on north and east side so far, much higher than earlier runs, likely due to the reduced to almost zero shear.
https://tropicaltidbits.com/recon/recon_AF300-1909A-ISAIAS.png
Hey John, there is still plenty of shear. There are two main things to look at that shows it. First, and this has been th case for the past 2 days, is the convection is clearly tiltied to the N and NE side of where the low level center is located. Click on the link you provided above of the latest recon wind field and you can easily see this compared to where the latest center is located.
Second: Look at the image below first. With the yellow banana are clouds that are moving westward towards the western coast of Fla. BUT, Notice that they all seem to have these smoke trails that move back east towards the system. This is upper level wind shear. Thunderstorms are trying to build but when they get high enough in the atmosphere the tops get blown off. When the upper level winds move towards or perpendicular to the track you get shear.
Now Click on the visible Sat loop I have below to see it in real time.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/satlooper.php?region=09L&product=vis
As the system gains some latitude there will be a time when the shear speed will slow some and the shear direction gets closer to paralell to the track of the system. This in turn decreases shear. If its still over open water, somewhere in the yellow circle below then there may be a small window to restrengthen to a hurricane. Im not holding my breath though as this will also begin its interactions with the trough and gaining forward momentum on its N to NE ward track. Pressures have fallen slightly but these pulses of convection that flare, recenter, then get knocked down and pushed NNE will likley cont leading to increases and decreases in the wind speeds by as much as 10-15MPH up and down. Id also like to point out that as it gains lat and undergoes its transition to hybrid from warm core system the wind field tends to spread out where the highests gusts may be well away from the center by the time it reaches our latitude. Just some things to keep an eye on.
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Tropical storm watches up for our area.
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yes okay i clearly see, yes i can see the LLC is not under the main convection, i didnt realize those strip like clouds were shear. thankssroc4 wrote:jmanley32 wrote:very impressive windfield being found on north and east side so far, much higher than earlier runs, likely due to the reduced to almost zero shear.
https://tropicaltidbits.com/recon/recon_AF300-1909A-ISAIAS.png
Hey John, there is still plenty of shear. There are two main things to look at that shows it. First, and this has been th case for the past 2 days, is the convection is clearly tiltied to the N and NE side of where the low level center is located. Click on the link you provided above of the latest recon wind field and you can easily see this compared to where the latest center is located.
Second: Look at the image below first. With the yellow banana are clouds that are moving westward towards the western coast of Fla. BUT, Notice that they all seem to have these smoke trails that move back east towards the system. This is upper level wind shear. Thunderstorms are trying to build but when they get high enough in the atmosphere the tops get blown off. When the upper level winds move towards or perpendicular to the track you get shear.
Now Click on the visible Sat loop I have below to see it in real time.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/satlooper.php?region=09L&product=vis
As the system gains some latitude there will be a time when the shear speed will slow some and the shear direction gets closer to paralell to the track of the system. This in turn decreases shear. If its still over open water, somewhere in the yellow circle below then there may be a small window to restrengthen to a hurricane. Im not holding my breath though as this will also begin its interactions with the trough and gaining forward momentum on its N to NE ward track. Pressures have fallen slightly but these pulses of convection that flare, recenter, then get knocked down and pushed NNE will likley cont leading to increases and decreases in the wind speeds by as much as 10-15MPH up and down. Id also like to point out that as it gains lat and undergoes its transition to hybrid from warm core system the wind field tends to spread out where the highests gusts may be well away from the center by the time it reaches our latitude. Just some things to keep an eye on.
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aiannone wrote:Tropical storm watches up for our area.
Yep, saw that plus flash flood watch too..
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Upton is so slow, they still havent updated for the TS watch but its clearly on NHC page.
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18z GFS shifted pretty far west with rain swath bringing all rain into eastern PA (2-4) and a few inches east of there, but very strong winds from NJ to LI.
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Tropical storm watch has gone off my area
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Advisories, watches and warnings, oh my! When have we seen so many in the same area at once???
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They cant even show them in the color coding, i wonder how they choose which one to display over the same area, you know if theres 5 in one area how do they decide which to show visually.Dunnzoo wrote:Advisories, watches and warnings, oh my! When have we seen so many in the same area at once???
Current TS watch calls for sustained winds 35-45mph gusts to 60mph even into northern westchester, they def following a more western track. Still 2-4 inches rain which is still a lot.
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Recon finding a big drop in surface pressures so far 980mb, def stregthening. It kinda looks like the shear is weakening, but i may be wrong.
Updated: apparently something went funky with recon plane and marked pressure is 995mb.
Updated: apparently something went funky with recon plane and marked pressure is 995mb.
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new low level recon is finding a large area of winds 70mph plus and one reading 85mph. We may have a hurricane at 11pm.
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jmanley32 wrote:new low level recon is finding a large area of winds 70mph plus and one reading 85mph. We may have a hurricane at 11pm.
Looks like it Jman, sheer seems to be letting up also soon than expected.
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Joe so true, three pro Mets on Twitter saying this may end up a CAT 2 as JB has called all along. Saying fornl all its faults it fights through the shear and convection is blossoming in the eastern quadrants. 18Z Euro shows a CAT 2 low end hitting SC now. JB still thinks he holds true and strengthens over the warm saturated air and 83* waters. WPC rainsfall amounts.
We'll see what NHC has for the morning update.
We'll see what NHC has for the morning update.
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[quote="Joe Snow"]
Looks like it Jman, sheer seems to be letting up also soon than expected.
Hello everyone..[/quoteU/He is intensifying by the minute, incredible he overcame a lot. Look at all the 64-83 kt winds hh are finding. thats the most ive seen since he was born. Shear is nearly gone is clearly seen.
jmanley32 wrote:new low level recon is finding a large area of winds 70mph plus and one reading 85mph. We may have a hurricane at 11pm.
Looks like it Jman, sheer seems to be letting up also soon than expected.
Hello everyone..[/quoteU/He is intensifying by the minute, incredible he overcame a lot. Look at all the 64-83 kt winds hh are finding. thats the most ive seen since he was born. Shear is nearly gone is clearly seen.
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stronger storm also means stronger up here too as he isnt going to weaken as fast with the trough and enhancement. Will be interesting few days. I find it hard to believe he will be up here midday to late tuesday. He is moving so slow, i know supposed speed up but still.
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I’d be surprised if Isaias isn’t a hurricane again with the 11pm NHC update.
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im nearly positive he will be.SoulSingMG wrote:I’d be surprised if Isaias isn’t a hurricane again with the 11pm NHC update.
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Most of the higher winds with Isaias isn't really found at the surface, would be surprised if it's a cat 1 yet, more likely in the morning if anything
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