Re: Banter Thread 9.0

[Dunnzoo]

Not sure if anyone follows Joe Cioffi and Joe Rao, but Lee Goldberg will be joining them tonight at 7:30. Should be interesting to see what they have to say about next week. Search YouTube Joe & Joe Weather Show.

are u watching the show

Missed the beginning, jumped on a little after 8 when they started talking about next week

[frank 638]

Not sure if anyone follows Joe Cioffi and Joe Rao, but Lee Goldberg will be joining them tonight at 7:30. Should be interesting to see what they have to say about next week. Search YouTube Joe & Joe Weather Show.

are u watching the show

Missed the beginning, jumped on a little after 8 when they started talking about next week

still watching it so far I am enjoying what they’re talking about from the upcoming winter esp late Feb into march .also there thoughts about climate change

[dkodgis]

My butterfly bushes, and my Monarda never went dormant. In Jan I was in South Jersey and I bought pansies which I put out up here and they are still going strong. My Gigantes are flowering

[Grselig]

NWS just took down my Hazardous alert. Now it's nothing. I am taking that it's gonna be a cold rain or overcast. Yep. The power of negative thinking. I might be a coward, and ignore the facts presented by the models. But I can't get hurt by the Winters of Nothingness.

But if my negativity turns into the real thing, than

[jmanley32]

Wow, yet again 9.8 miles north of me up to 10 inches 0 here. Par for the course with this year. I'll be back if anything changes but this is no surprise i suppose. Ill just drive to white plains and watch the snow.

[Koroptim]

Winters in NNJ truly suck now. Anything that CAN go wrong WILL go wrong. Snowing has now turned into some complex equation of needed every single teleconnection to be perfect. Almost lost interest entirely at this point. And the winter forecasts from October / November are really meaningless.

[frank 638]

When was the last time anyone seeing? tulips growing this early of the season

[dkodgis]

Frank, do you mean daffodils? I have crocus peeking out of the ground. Too early by three-four weeks

[dkodgis]

I will say I put down today Moss Out and then it rained a bit which is cooperation. Tomorrow I seed Sweet William and milkweed in time for the snow. That will convince the seed it has wintered out and hopefully by May I will see some sprouts. I have Sweet William and I love its smell and look. The milkweed is for the Monarchs.

[jmanley32]

When was the last time anyone seeing? tulips growing this early of the season

61 degrees at 7:54pm in Feb, absolutely disgusting, we are doomed, before we know it its gonna be hotter than the desert in the summers here and FL weather in the winter (kinda kidding but kinda not). Actually I believe there has been colder air in FL than here, someone told me it got down to single digits in FL, we havent even come close in NYC.

Side note:How can you be so sinful and drink dunkin? It is toilet water, starbucks for the win, more pricy but real coffee. : )

[jmanley32]

Winters in NNJ truly suck now.  Anything that CAN go wrong WILL go wrong.  Snowing has now turned into some complex equation of needed every single teleconnection to be perfect.  Almost lost interest entirely at this point.  And the winter forecasts from October / November are really meaningless.  

It is dispicable, I am much more interested in tropics as our liklihood of getting a hurricane to hit the coast is more likely than snow hahahahahaa

[weatherwatchermom]

Son reported with some pictures ..when I asked how much snow he said a lot..lol I looked it up they had 9.7 inches.

[amugs]

When was the last time anyone seeing? tulips growing this early of the season

61 degrees at 7:54pm in Feb, absolutely disgusting, we are doomed, before we know it its gonna be hotter than the desert in the summers here and FL weather in the winter (kinda kidding but kinda not). Actually I believe there has been colder air in FL than here, someone told me it got down to single digits in FL, we havent even come close in NYC.

Side note:How can you be so sinful and drink dunkin? It is toilet water, starbucks for the win, more pricy but real coffee. : )

"absolutely disgusting, we are doomed, before we know it its gonna be hotter than the desert in the summers here and FL weather in the winter (kinda kidding but kinda not)"

If that happens tehre wont be any Florida and you wont be living within 100-150 miles of what we call the coast today. There'll be a population of about 2 Billion people left.
Trex and his friends will make a return to eat the rest of the people! LOL!
Greenland will be......Green again hence its name the Viking, Nordic folks gave it back in the Medieval Warm Period when they had thriving farm settlements their.

[Koroptim]

I just looked at NYC snowfall amounts by year since 1900. We’ve gone through plenty worse snow droughts over the past 100+ years. One particular was in the 1920’s.

[weatherwatchermom]

Hope everyone had a wonderful Valentine's Day

[Grselig]

I just looked at NYC snowfall amounts by year since 1900.  We’ve gone through plenty worse snow droughts over the past 100+ years.  One particular was in the 1920’s.  

Great. Snow depression leads to all kinds of Great Depressions.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

I just looked at NYC snowfall amounts by year since 1900.  We’ve gone through plenty worse snow droughts over the past 100+ years.  One particular was in the 1920’s.  

Snowfall amounts for the entire winter have very little to do with the average winter temperatures in a place like NYC.

We are now completing the warmest nine year period of winters since records have been kept. If you compare the average temperatures in Winter vs any of those snow drought periods you refer to in the past, the averages in those winters were almost always several degrees colder than what we've experienced since 2015/16.

I'm not talking about cause here I'm just stating facts. People can believe whatever they want about why we're getting such mild winters now, or even deny they are getting milder. At this stage no one's changing my mind and I probably can't change anyone else.

[docstox12]

I just looked at NYC snowfall amounts by year since 1900.  We’ve gone through plenty worse snow droughts over the past 100+ years.  One particular was in the 1920’s.  

Snowfall amounts for the entire winter have very little to do with the average winter temperatures in a place like NYC.

We are now completing the warmest nine year period of winters since records have been kept. If you compare the average temperatures in Winter vs any of those snow drought periods you refer to in the past, the averages in those winters were almost always several degrees colder than what we've experienced since 2015/16.

I'm not talking about cause here I'm just stating facts. People can believe whatever they want about why we're getting such mild winters now, or even deny they are getting milder. At this stage no one's changing my mind and I probably can't change anyone else.

Good points CP.
Whether these mild temperatures are from climate change or naturally occurring, or in combination in percentages we don't know, there is nothing in the immediate future we can do.The USA on it's own initiative has cut down on greenhouse gasses since 2005 but other countries like China and India build more coal fired plants every year.Good luck getting them to comply.If it is naturally occurring, good luck with trying to control that too.Greenland was once settled by Vikings who farmed the land.
Anyway, I am thankful to have the memory of those winters back in the day that you describe.In the immediate future , I guess we will have truncated Wall/Wing types of cold and snow events.Right now I am enjoying this week of snowpack, cold and a few light snow events possible.

[sroc4]

I just looked at NYC snowfall amounts by year since 1900.  We’ve gone through plenty worse snow droughts over the past 100+ years.  One particular was in the 1920’s.  

Snowfall amounts for the entire winter have very little to do with the average winter temperatures in a place like NYC.

We are now completing the warmest nine year period of winters since records have been kept. If you compare the average temperatures in Winter vs any of those snow drought periods you refer to in the past, the averages in those winters were almost always several degrees colder than what we've experienced since 2015/16.

I'm not talking about cause here I'm just stating facts. People can believe whatever they want about why we're getting such mild winters now, or even deny they are getting milder. At this stage no one's changing my mind and I probably can't change anyone else.

Cp I’m not sure it’s fair to simply infer that the statement made in any way was implying a snow to temp correlation.  Seem like you may have assumed that and took the statement in a particular direction. It’s more than fair to just point out snow fall records.  If you look in my signature you can clearly see that I have had above avg snow fall for 8/12 yrs and yet as you point out this area has been warming.

If we’re to look at data since records have been kept I think it’s fair to say that evaluating that data is like evaluating the 10minute period before you sat down for lunch yesterday and saying that what was happening to the temperatures in your home during that ten minutes can be used to understand the temps fluctuations in your house over your lifetime.  It’s reasonable to think that you changed the thermostat setting and the house is warming as a result, but the thermostat has been on an automatic time your entire life and at some point it will go back to a lower and higher setting than what you tried to set it at depending on the time of day and time of year. (Actually it’s prob not reasonable to think you specifically changed the thermostat to warm your house. It’s prob more reasonable to assume you had a guest over who increased the temp without you knowing).

But if we are going to just look at data over the last ten minutes of recorded history let’s make sure to include the rapid expansion of urbanization and it’s affect on the temp data of the NYC metropolitan area and perhaps look up and down entire continental coast lines and compare the amount of concrete today vs 100yrs ago.

[dkodgis]

We are the spectators looking for the game to turn out for our team even though we know if we watch in whole ir in part, we do not affect the outcome. We know temps are up and snow is down but for how long? Won-loss records may not conclusively guarantee future results.  When do the last five years stop being a trend and flip over to the new reality? That becomes choice. I am nostalgic too for a typical winter of the past. I fear we have more than a trend for crap winters

[Koroptim]

We have to recognize that the last few hundred years is the tiniest pimple on the ass of the earths 4.5B history. Climate has evolved continually and will always do so. Why is all of the political attention and money being spent on green initiatives vs exploring ALL possible reasons for climate change. This includes things like sea floor volcanic activity increases raising ocean temps, therefore impacting the atmosphere. Amazing that isn’t being invested in

[sroc4]

We have to recognize that the last few hundred years is the tiniest pimple on the ass of the earths 4.5B history.   Climate has evolved continually and will always do so.  Why is all of the political attention and money being spent on green initiatives vs exploring ALL possible reasons for climate change.  This includes things like sea floor volcanic activity increases raising ocean temps, therefore impacting the atmosphere. Amazing that isn’t being invested in

This post:

[Koroptim]

It’s also funny to watch the hypocrisy of all the large corporations that pander to the green initiative with money and PR, but then demand employees return to the office instead of finding ways to make work from home permanent for office employees. The environmental impacts to the decreased work commutes during Covid were well documented and came surprisingly fast. However, they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing. Follow the money. Always

[docstox12]

We have to recognize that the last few hundred years is the tiniest pimple on the ass of the earths 4.5B history.   Climate has evolved continually and will always do so.  Why is all of the political attention and money being spent on green initiatives vs exploring ALL possible reasons for climate change.  This includes things like sea floor volcanic activity increases raising ocean temps, therefore impacting the atmosphere. Amazing that isn’t being invested in

Politics ie CONTROL is involved.This is nothing new BTW.
The Greenies would probably be shocked at what happened in NYC back in the 1940's.Manhattan, Bronx and parts of Westchester were served by the clean electric trolley system of the massive Third Avenue Railway System.My Mom and my very young sister would ride the Amsterdam Ave trolley from 188 st to 167th to visit my Grandma.LaGuardia, the Mayor back then, and city administrators probably under pressure and who knows what kind of kickbacks, decided that the image of the City must be "more modern" and decided to junk the trolley system in favor of smelly diesel busses.This was all accomplished from 1946 to 1952.General Motors, Standard Oil and Goodyear had their political lobbyists all over the country working at this and many cities junked their clean trolley and interurban lines in favor of polluting busses.And , brother, did they pollute! I rode many back in the day in the 1950's and 1960's.Political activism back them caused this massive change.
Today, we have the opposite side of the coin.Personally, I have no problem with cleaner air initiatives but it has to be done fairly and logically.You can't just switch from ICE to EV overnight, it will take 25 years MINIMUM.Adequate sources of electric power to recharge has to be developed( think nuclear or hopefully, breeder reactors).These ugly windmills which kill millions of birds including Bald Eagles( not a peep from leftist PETA on that) or ugly windmills killing whales off shore(PETA....crickets) plus the acres of ugly solar panels put on beautiful farmland acreage up here(leftist Sierra club not a peep) will only provide a small percentage of the power needed for a complete EV transition.How about concentrating entirely on hybrid vehicles while the infrastructure is building out rather than shoving EV by political force down people's throats?

[amugs]

When was the last time anyone seeing? tulips growing this early of the season

61 degrees at 7:54pm in Feb, absolutely disgusting, we are doomed, before we know it its gonna be hotter than the desert in the summers here and FL weather in the winter (kinda kidding but kinda not). Actually I believe there has been colder air in FL than here, someone told me it got down to single digits in FL, we havent even come close in NYC.

Side note:How can you be so sinful and drink dunkin? It is toilet water, starbucks for the win, more pricy but real coffee. : )

"absolutely disgusting, we are doomed, before we know it its gonna be hotter than the desert in the summers here and FL weather in the winter (kinda kidding but kinda not)"

If that happens there wont be any Florida and you wont be living within 100-150 miles of what we call the coast today. There'll be a population of about 2 Billion people left.
Trex and his friends will make a return to eat the rest of the people! LOL!
Greenland will be......Green again hence its name the Viking, Nordic folks gave it back in the Medieval Warm Period when they had thriving farm settlements their.

DOCSTOX
"Greenland was once settled by Vikings who farmed the land."

As I said above and they were farming wine, yes wineries in England back then too.
Dr. Willie Soon has a great interview on this topic and Dr. Roy Spencer of UAH has one too.
The ocean hold much more thermal heat than the land and they are massive!!

[amugs]

It’s also funny to watch the hypocrisy of all the large corporations that pander to the green initiative with money and PR, but then demand employees return to the office instead of finding ways to make work from home permanent for office employees.  The environmental impacts to the decreased work commutes during Covid were well documented and came surprisingly fast.  However, they would rather protect the commercial real estate market from collapsing.  Follow the money.  Always

EXCELLENT post on this!! Submarine Volcanoes paper was published last year on teh pacific ocean warming but neglected. Sun and its cycles, galactic sheet/dust, electro universe, magnetic pole shift are a few others that are being but when they find out contrary information they get caboshed.

[essexcountypete]

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