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Post by aiannone on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:14 pm

18z Nam- 2-4" LI/NENJ, 4-6" NYC 6-8 NWNJ/Westchester
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Post by jmanley32 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:14 pm

@aiannone wrote:18z NAM so far west it's in the chesapeake
Whats with the LP being over the water then suddenly jumping to the west in chesapeake, lost of sleet for NYC metro even NJ.
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Post by bloc1357 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:20 pm

I still think this plays some games...we will see. I guess wait and see what tonights runs do and go from there!

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:22 pm

@SENJsnowman wrote:
@SoulSingMG wrote:Slammed by WRF (FWIW)...

12/16 to 12/17 Godzilla - 1st Call Snow Map - Page 9 Aa81a910

That’s the best looking snow/sleet map for coastal Ocean and Monmouth counties in 2 days! lol.

Gimme my 3-5” please (please!!)  and I hope the rest of the board really gets to share in them riches!!!  

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Post by heehaw453 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:23 pm

I'll take the NAM much more seriously tonight 0Z and especially tomorrow 06Z.  

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Post by heehaw453 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:24 pm

@CPcantmeasuresnow wrote:
@SENJsnowman wrote:
@SoulSingMG wrote:Slammed by WRF (FWIW)...

12/16 to 12/17 Godzilla - 1st Call Snow Map - Page 9 Aa81a910

That’s the best looking snow/sleet map for coastal Ocean and Monmouth counties in 2 days! lol.

Gimme my 3-5” please (please!!)  and I hope the rest of the board really gets to share in them riches!!!  

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I agree!

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Post by aiannone on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:27 pm

18z Hi-Res NAM has a nice thump, then sleet, then dryslot
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Post by Frank_Wx on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:30 pm

I actually did not mind the 18z NAM

Yes, still issues with dry slotting and mixing but aloft there were some slight positives

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Post by aiannone on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:35 pm

@Frank_Wx wrote:I actually did not mind the 18z NAM

Yes, still issues with dry slotting and mixing but aloft there were some slight positives

Closed off to early for us which is why we dry slotted but LP was less tucked, kept us colder for the front end thump. didnt really warm until the dry slot
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Post by heehaw453 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:37 pm

Upton's 1:15 PM discussion. Don't be surprised to see a blizzard warning somewhere. Obviously mixing is probably what could stop them from issuing it.

National Weather Service New York NY
115 PM EST Tue Dec 15 2020

SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH THURSDAY/...
As the high pressure shifts east tonight, winds shift out of
the N and NE. Skies will become progressively cloudier through
the night as high cirrus eventually overtake the area. Low
temperatures will be quite chilly, generally in the teens and
low 20s (though NYC may be in the middle to upper 20s). There
may even be some isolated single digit readings in the outlying
areas.

Concerning the major winter storm expected to begin Wednesday
afternoon, not a lot was changed with this update.

Models have been in fairly good agreement on the development of
a surface low pressure along the Mid-Atlantic coast on
Wednesday with the potential for significant impacts to the CWA
from Wednesday afternoon through Thursday in the form of a major
winter storm, but with subtle differences that may affect the
forecast especially closer to the coast.

A strong blocking high to the north will provide cold/dry air
initially. A mid level shortwave trough rounds the base of a
long wave trough over the Tennessee Valley Wednesday morning,
allowing the longwave trough to become slightly negatively
tilted. This combined with an intensifying jet streak to the
north will allow for the rapid intensification of a low pressure
system off of the Carolina coast, positioned in the right
entrance region of the upper level jet streak.

The surface low will move NNE along the Mid Atlantic coastline
and then eastward off the Delmarva Wednesday night into
Thursday. Given the strong Arctic high to the north with
surface and low level temperatures at or below freezing, most
of the area should see an all snow event. The last several runs
of the NAM put this somewhat into doubt with a more amplified
upper trough and stronger mid level jet bringing in warmer air
aloft, also a dry slot late Wed night. With the ECMWF actually
trending colder and remaining slower, did not entirely buy this
scenario except for the lower boroughs of NYC and the south
shore/east end of Long Island.

Winds will increase out of the NE Wednesday evening and
Thursday morning as the tightening pressure gradient will allow
for sustained winds of 25-35 mph possible along the coastline
and gusts 40-50 mph for a time, which may cause close to
blizzard conditions for some.

Where precip remains all snow, potential for over 6 inches of
snow is high, with a medium potential for over a foot of snow.
Amounts may be held down closer to the coast by both wind and
potential for mixing, with lower amounts but still medium
potential for 6 inches of accumulating snow before this occurs.

The main change made with this update was trying to identify the
best potential for any mixing to occur. Though the Twin Forks
likely will mix with rain or sleet at some point, the warm nose
at 850mb was fairly minimal, becoming basically isothermal for a
few hours. This would occur in the middle of the storm so heavy
snow will have already occurred resulting in at least 3-6" of
snow. Obviously the exact intensity of the precipitation and the
ultimate track of the low play a significant role in
determining the strength of the warm nose at 850mb and ultimate
duration and potential to mix or change over to rain, so trends
in models regarding precipitation types will be monitored and
updated accordingly.

There is still some question as to how quickly the low will
pull out late Wed night into Thu. Sided more with ECMWF idea of
light snow in the morning, gradually tapering off from W to E
through the day.

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Post by crippo84 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:38 pm

Warnings are starting to pop up. NWS as of now is still holding on strong to 12-18 (I live on the west side of Manhattan) with their forecast update. TWC is still riding all snow.

These are the times where you gotta love (or hate) the 4th quarter of a close game. I Was up by 10 when it started but now up only a field goal and they're driving down the field approaching the 2 min warning.


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Post by SoulSingMG on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:42 pm

There we go...

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Post by jmanley32 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:42 pm

Upton just issued warnings, Im rather shocked its for 12-16 inches. they mention heavy wet snow 45mph winds and power outages.
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Post by aiannone on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:44 pm

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service New York NY
340 PM EST Tue Dec 15 2020

CTZ011-012-NYZ078>081-179-161200-
/O.CON.KOKX.WS.A.0001.201216T1900Z-201217T1800Z/
Southern Middlesex-Southern New London-Northwestern Suffolk-
Northeastern Suffolk-Southwestern Suffolk-Southeastern Suffolk-
Southern Nassau-
340 PM EST Tue Dec 15 2020

...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON
THROUGH THURSDAY AFTERNOON...

* WHAT...Heavy snow possible. Total snow accumulations of 3 to 10
inches possible. Winds could gust as high as 50 mph.

* WHERE...Portions of southern Connecticut and southeast New
York.

* WHEN...From Wednesday afternoon through Thursday afternoon.

* IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult to impossible. The
hazardous conditions could impact the morning or evening
commute. Gusty winds could bring down tree branches.

* ADDITIONAL INFORMATION...There is still uncertainty with how
much warm air moves into the area. If warmer air moves into the
region, less snow will be forecast, and a Winter Weather
Advisory would be issued. If colder air moves into the region,
then more snow will be forecast and a Winter Storm Warning will
be issued.
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Post by algae888 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:44 pm

Nws for my area

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service New York NY
340 PM EST Tue Dec 15 2020

CTZ005>010-NJZ002-004-103>108-NYZ067>071-161200-
/O.UPG.KOKX.WS.A.0001.201216T1900Z-201217T1800Z/
/O.NEW.KOKX.WS.W.0001.201216T1900Z-201217T1800Z/
Northern Fairfield-Northern New Haven-Northern Middlesex-
Northern New London-Southern Fairfield-Southern New Haven-
Western Passaic-Eastern Passaic-Western Bergen-Eastern Bergen-
Western Essex-Eastern Essex-Western Union-Eastern Union-Orange-
Putnam-Rockland-Northern Westchester-Southern Westchester-
340 PM EST Tue Dec 15 2020

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 2 PM WEDNESDAY TO 1 PM EST
THURSDAY...

* WHAT...Heavy snow expected. Total snow accumulations of 12 to 16
inches. Winds gusting as high as 45 mph along the coast.

* WHERE...Portions of northeast New Jersey, southern Connecticut
and southeast New York, including the Lower Hudson Valley.

* WHEN...From 2 PM Wednesday to 1 PM EST Thursday.

* IMPACTS...Travel could
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Post by frank 638 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:46 pm

Mayor Deblasio is on he’s mentioning the storm could be really bad the city is probably getting a foot I’m surprised because I thought There’s going to be mixing especially for south of queens and Brooklyn

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Post by SoulSingMG on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:47 pm

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Post by RJB8525 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:49 pm

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Post by algae888 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:50 pm

@jmanley32 wrote:Upton just issued warnings, Im rather shocked its for 12-16 inches. they mention heavy wet snow 45mph winds and power outages.

Yeah John they're not buying the short-range models. 7 p.m. tomorrow night per nam dew points below zero in the Hudson Valley and most of Connecticut and in the teens where we live that's not being overcome very easily I don't care how strong the low pressure is. This is an easy 6 in front end thump and I mean easy could easily get to a foot before any dry slot gets in here and then more snows on the back end good call by them
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Post by jmanley32 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:52 pm

@frank 638 wrote:Mayor Deblasio is on he’s mentioning the storm could be really bad the city is probably getting a foot I’m surprised because I thought There’s going to be mixing especially for south of queens and Brooklyn
He also said there will be no more snow days lol, well if your remote thats kinda understandable.
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Post by frank 638 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:53 pm

@jmanley32 wrote:
@frank 638 wrote:Mayor Deblasio is on he’s mentioning the storm could be really bad the city is probably getting a foot I’m surprised because I thought There’s going to be mixing especially for south of queens and Brooklyn
He also said there will be no more snow days lol, well if your remote thats kinda understandable.
That is true let’s hope we have no mixing tomorrow I just want a good old fashion snowstorm for everyone

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Post by RJB8525 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:53 pm

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Post by jmanley32 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:56 pm

@RJB8525 wrote:12/16 to 12/17 Godzilla - 1st Call Snow Map - Page 9 Stormt10
that now matches with Upton side. better sensical puzzle.
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Post by algae888 on Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:57 pm

@RJB8525 wrote:12/16 to 12/17 Godzilla - 1st Call Snow Map - Page 9 Stormt10
That is a reasonable responsible and knowledgeable forecast those are meteorologist who know their geographic location and how this type of setup usually plays out even if they're off by 4 or 5 in it's still a significant event kudos to them
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